I know this type of post has been made before, but not quite this way, and not with a satisfactory answer.

For those of you who happen to have tried both chips, which one did you find to be faster or produce more horsepower in a real measured test? (No vendors please! )

What ever you do, don't tip-toe around the subject and deliver a politically correct answer. Inquiring minds want to know, which chip actually was faster, or was there one?

Please don't explain the differences in the two, because I already know those, and I have also already formed an opinion on which is the best engineered based on the number of customer complaints.

A simple "PSP" or "Superchip" would do, but please include the why of it.

 

Typhoon,

It all depends on programing really. You could use a superchip and keep sending it back for "tweeking" but ocasionaly not do anything to the chip. On the other hand you could get a PSP chip and send it back for "tweeks" that can be done by Sal, who works for a Ford dealership, and might be able to get a better chip. Then there is always the good solution, have you own custom chip made.

 

I would think that the results obtained by the standard Superchip and PSP chip would be immeasureable, however there is a major difference. If you want a Superchip, you can get immediate service from Mike Troyer the national distributor. My truck was sporting a Superchip a couple of days after I decided I wanted one. You will find numerous posts on this board asking when they will recieve their PSP chip. If you are a patient man you can order either with like results. If you are not, you have one choice - Superchip. The Superchip made my truck awesome (or perhaps more awesome would be more accurate).

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Sandy (Spider) Scott
Skydive69@msn.com
Apopka, Florida
99 White Lightning #2091 DOB 6-8-99
Airaid air box & Superchip
Honda Valkyrie - 2 Bros exhaust - K&N filter -Corbin Seat (after 30 yrs. of Harley riding)

 

Typhoon asked that vendors not comment on this one, so I will not say anything related to whos is better. I just wanted to comment on Sandys post that you would have to wait for a PSP chip. This is not true. I always have chips on hand (and if I'm out, I get them in a day or two). The wait in relationship to the chips, is when people order the chip and filter at the same time, and the filter is currently being made. I ususally send the chips out the next day after getting the order. Ok, I'm done now...

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SAL
13.35@103mph
All stock with PSP 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit

Power Surge Performance--- Your SOURCE for SVT Lightning EFI Tuning and Performance!! http://members.aol.com/NLOCsvt/svt.html

 

Sal, I mailed a check for a chip on February 1, still don't have it. Also, I sent you an e-mail last night. I'm ready to order Bassani headers and a cat-back system. Just waiting for your reply. Tony

[This message has been edited by Tony Ojeda (edited 02-12-2000).]

 

And here comes the wrath of steve.. the webmaster... I feel it already..



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* 99.5 Black Lightning
* Factory CD Changer
* Class 3 Towing Hitch
* Factory Tonneau Cover
* 8" Bazooka Tubs
* Kenwood 80 watt *2 amp
* 50% Window Tint
* Viper 550 Alarm w/ remort start
* 98 Yamaha Banshee w/ Toomey T5 Chrome pipes often found in the bed..

Injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown. 99 Lightning, the best of both worlds!

 

It may be that the gains are comparable, that's why I was curious. It isn't always true that the difference in gains between two chips is so minute that you can't tell the difference. The L98 Camaro's were a good example. Most chip manufacturers produced chips that gave 3-4 tenths gain, but one manufacturer "Performance Resource" produced a chip that have a 7 tenths gain. On the average though I would say 1 to 2 tenths variation is normal between manufacturers.

As for not having to wait for the Superchip, personal experience and even problems discussed on here have convinced me that I would rather wait. As someone once said, "Fast ain't good, and good ain't fast."

 

Sandy, you never waited a single day for any of Sal's products so why are you still complaining? I never got to go to the Superbowl this year, never bought the tickets, but I still didn't get to go.

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Red 99.5 Lightning,
#0975,
Born 5/6/99...Adopted 5/27/99
Chipped w/SuperChip Flipchip chip,
PSP Filter(track untested),
Water Wetter,
Mobil 1,
Foglamp Covers,
13.573@101.08




[This message has been edited by 4D THNDR (edited 02-12-2000).]

 

I credit most of my performance gain to my Superchip.From day one, I have never experienced any types of problems.

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99 SVT Lightning
BLK. #1476 5/20/99
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2 Chamber Flowmasters
Downs Air Intake
B.F.Goodrich Drag T/A`s
Superchips
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A-pillar Phantom Boost Guage
Redline Water Wetter
Sportmaster Flip tonneau
Tow package
CD changer

Best run to date
13.064 @105.33

"Empty Pockets Racing"Drag Race Team NJ-DE

LAUNCH HARD




[This message has been edited by Spiro99SVT (edited 02-13-2000).]

 

Ditto on the Superchip!

(No vendors please! ) "Typhoon asked that vendors not comment on this one, so I will not say anything related to whos is better."

So much for requests.
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1999 Black Roush-Lowered Lightning - w/Super Chip (YEEEOW!), JBA Headers, Power Surge air kit, AAD Cobra hood, carbon fiber dash kit, CD Changer, Towing Package,Grey Rhino, clear corner lenses.
13.302@103.28mph
http://www.zing.com/picture/ff/db/5d/3/ffdb5d3f.jpg



[This message has been edited by sixpipes (edited 02-13-2000).]

 

Hey Sal, didn't mean to put out any bum scoop, just seems like there have been many posts of people asking where there stuff is. Perhaps the delay was waiting for both items to ship simultaneously. 4D THDR, I've got no issues here, just trying to answer the question posed by an inquiring mind. I tried to buy a PSP ship, I just was not able to consumate the deal with anyone. And BTW, Sal, I do appreciate your presence very much - I learn much from your posts. BTW Typhoon, this is going to come down to the same old crap that manifests itself in every issue like this. The people who have the PSP chip will sing the praises of it, although they may have never even seen a Superchip and visa versa. It comes down to the same old story: Mine is bigger than yours, which BTW, it probably is!

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Sandy (Spider) Scott
Skydive69@msn.com
Apopka, Florida
99 White Lightning #2091 DOB 6-8-99
Airaid air box & Superchip
Honda Valkyrie - 2 Bros exhaust - K&N filter -Corbin Seat (after 30 yrs. of Harley riding)



[This message has been edited by skydive69 (edited 02-13-2000).]

 

This is a very confusing issue. It seems that short of dyno test with an L using one chip and then the other we will never know the answer to this question. I have yet to buy a chip, but it seens that the PSP chips have less returns for recalibration. I do not know why the chips need to be returned since it seems to me most people are installing them on stock trucks. Does a K&N filter make a difference? Does Sals filter make a difference from a K&n filter installed in the stock housing? What about the other filters. I suspect that the air flow is different in all the above systems. Does that effect the chip programming. What differences to programming do exhaust changes make.
Also, my ford chip guy tells me that "All" these after-market chips sooner or later blow the computer and he has replaced dozens. Remove the chip, replace the computer, vehicle runs fine again. That's what really worries me.
If the chips are the same it would seem Sal's would be the best buy because of it's ability to be switched from race to stock mode.
Noel


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70 Vette, LS-6, 99 Red Ligntning, K&N, Syn Oil. Looking at chips.

 

Noelvm,

The reason there are returns is due to detonation. Too much timing advance causes the detonation, although fuel that is bad or blended usually lends itself to the detonation problem. Some Superchips buyers have audible detonation, so they return theirs for some tweaking. That still doesn't make me feel confident, because detonation doesn't have to be audible in order to cause damage, and you probably won't know that there is a problem if you don't hear detonation.

K&N's from what I've heard don't make too much of a difference by themselves. The reason is that the stock filter housing is too restrictive, which is where a system like Sal's comes in. All of the people who have installed one (No matter who the manufacturer was) have said that it produced a big gain for the level of mod it is.

Your mechanic has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to the chips burning out the computer. They don't actually do anything themselves, they are just a new set of look up tables that tell the computer what it should be telling the motor and trans. to do. Any problems with a factory computer could have been caused by improper installation causing damage to the computer. Some problems may have been caused by a person dropping the computer, others may be from forcing the chip in instead of properly seating it, and still others may be caused by static discharge. Always make sure you are properly grounded when working around the internals of a computer, because a static charge can do bad things to a computer. I don't think that in most cases the damage was caused by the consumer, I just think that the computer itself had a problem, and the vehicles owner was unlucky enough to have messed with the computer beforehand.

Lastly, both the Superchip and PSP chip have switchable settings.

[This message has been edited by Typhoon (edited 02-13-2000).]

 

One thing that always strikes me about the membership here is that there are not a lot of hotrodder/streetrodder types, but a lot of "modifiers" out there.

As Typhoon surely knows, and several others that have posted on this and similar threads, tuning is and always has been "a work in progress".

For example, I have both chips and I got both of them literally as soon as they were available. Probably in the first 10 for Superchip and somewhere around the same for the PSP chip. While there are some seat of the pants differences, I would suspect not very much that is measurable. I dynoed the superchip at plus 26 hp or about 8% and was happy and Sal's felt the same.

The issue here, sort of, are the tweaks that are always necessary in this sort of application. No answer is required or requested, but I believe that both Superchips and Sal have mentioned at least 4 different things that they have solved since I got my first one in late June. I have 4-5 things with both chips that have caused me to disengage first one then the other, but I am not displeased. Biggest problem is winter or blended fuel in this area of GA., the others are driveability problems.

Both suppliers have bent over backwards in my e-mail contacts and phone contacts with them and are completely willing to "fix" the respective chips. In my case, I am waiting for the gas to change again and I have organized with both suppliers a "custom" application which is basically the shift upgrading and a few minor tweaks in the off position and the whole enchilada in the on position. At that point in time, I will probably run two sets of dyno pulls, one with each chip in combo with Sal's filter and the Bassani exhaust. I'm betting there will be little hp/torque difference, just subtle differences in the feel of the truck due to the ideas of the suppliers on how to do the little massages.

Take heart folks, it may take a while, but both of these suppliers know what they are doing.

Bill

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Bill Murray
99 Lightning #247
PSP Chip & Filter
Spare Superchip
Bassani full system TBI
Oxford White w/normal options.
98 Lincoln Continental Stock
56 F100 Big Window 272 w/TBird intake headers Fordomatic
56 F100 small window w/built 300" I6
69 Belair 390/427/400 Built
69 C10 Panel Stock
Soon: 92 Town Car
Tamiya 1/10 Lightning
Lightning & Thunder Rag Doll Cats.
E-mail MOSTOYSINC@AOL.com
htuken@BellSouth.net
HobbyTown1@WebTV.net
Kennesaw (Atlanta) Ga.

 

Well I just poured over my dyno sheets looking for a drop off, but there is none there. I also tried punching it from 80 to 120 this am, but again no problem. I guess I am confused...is this very noticeable? or just sort of noticeable? I did notice that around 110 or so it seems to either shift into OD or the converter locks up (honestly I don't know which). Just out of curiousity what are guys with psp and superchips pulling in terms of RWHP/RWTQ. As this is what the original thread was about right?

For what it is worth my L with a just a chip pulled
346.5 RWHP and 423.8RWTQ (corrected)

Friday I am going to get the full Bassani system installed along with a new prom 80mm and we will be reburning the chip with the wideband. I want to be certain that the prom does not lean it out to much. I will post pics of all parts and the before/after dyno results probably on Saturday.

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Mike B. '92 GT, '99 GT convertible, '99.5 Lightning
stock with Houston Performance Chip & K&N Filter
Best et 13.395@101.24