when has it proved itself in the 1320 over and over???

Let's at least see a years worth of results on a 12 different trucks with different combos.

That hasn't been done yet.

You've had a handfull of guys have good results. You've had a just as many have bad results.

I think what Suavy is saying is why don't you do a picturial how too on these trucks to show the proper install of the lines and the nozzles.

I just don't understand how you guys continue to promote your kit for these truck the way you do when neither of you have installed your kit on a truck and done testing on it.

I'm not saying your kit sucks, i'm not saying it's good. I'm saying you only know what your customer's feedback is and Both Sal from PSP and Jim from JDM have told you your kit has alot left on the table as far as these trucks go.

Sounds like the majority of the problems are the way these kits are installed. You guys don't like the way the tuners are installing them, even though they are installing them the same way the would a NOS or and NX kit.

So step up to the plate and meet the request. Prove your kit is the best.

You have yet do that. I'm not sold on it. Sell me on it.

 

I'm a newbie nitrous user, a racetested customer, and a OEM automotive product design engineer. I know mechanisim design and quality manufacturing.. years of experience in this area. So please take my post for what it may be worth.

Thier kits are indeed top quality and you can directly talk to them 7 days a week. NX and ZEX kits can't (and don't) live up to that standard. You can't talk to them directly in *minutes* and thier products are generic one size fits all componets. Tear them apart and you'll see what I mean!

Trev has spent a significant amount of years developing this kit on real cars and bikes for the sole purpose of improving 1/4mile results. He's done so much trial and testing to prove / disprove what we now see as thier "claims".

Guys look at the facts instead of the bling... and especially please question peoples perceptions. They are just that.. perceptions. Perceptions do not = truth.


Even though I'm a newbie at nitrous I would like to share a few facts I've noticed over the last year using thier kit.

My EGTs, speeds, and ETs are E-X-T-R-E-M-E-L-Y consistant when shooting nitrous. Anywhere from a 35shot up to a 100shot. Cold motor, warm motor, and hot motor are all the same. Same EGTs (big clue as to how consistant the a/f is) Same speeds (another clue as to how consistant thier kit is) and the same ETs. (not as big a clue in of it'self. But as compared to non-nitrous runs it's better!)

I compare these numbers to 3 yrs of off nitrous runs on my gen2 btw.

These consistantcies I see are not my opinion. I have measured data to back up what I'm saying. (Timeslips, autotap datalogging, and measured EGTs)

Denny may not come accross as the smoothest cat on the net. He's simply trying to defend the truth and facts. And I understand his frustration too. People have a tendancy to not look in depth at facts. They/we/I always have a tendancy to let others do the work for us. That's a mistake. And one that often leads down a "cow path". (look it up)

If you want a ***real world*** comparison? Take a typical gen 2 (mild bolt ons) and equip it with both systems. Take it to the track and do back to back testing. (which was done and proves thier "claims" btw)

Testing a car/truck on a chassie dyno at different times and on different days is 75% bogus in my book. Especially a dynojet / low budget dyno setup. It tells you something... but it's not a real world test. I for one only consider them a bench racing talking piece and a small reality check.

I really wish some of you who criticize RT/WON would look the at real parts and the real tests vs all these non-sense opinions and compromised installs.


Rich

 

I have his kit and will datalogging everything, and this on a fully built motor to include tranny. I am Ronnie on the other boards--NLOC and SVT Performance. So far the install was pretty flawless. Just getting some miles on the truck before I turn the nitrous on and run a race program.

 

Great post Wyd. I'm not a fanboy by ANY stretch, considering I've never used a bottle in my life. I do, howerver, have a few friends running N2O in their L's. Matias (Mistergadget) is about the most blatantly truthful person I've ever met. At first I wanted to knock his lights out (comments about my 22's, which I eventually sold in shame hehe), but after getting to know him, and having him help wrench with us, I can see that he just "calls it how he sees it", and he's a wiz with mechanical projects. I actually remember him talking trash about Racetested in the beginning because his NX kit was so much cheaper, and " a bottle's a bottle". He was skeptical, and the only way he'd ever change camps would be if he tried a kit from Denny. Well he did, and he won't fricking shut up about since his track times make him the the #1 stock block L around here

On a side note, FLBigdog. Ironic you use your Zex kit as an example: Ask Her2001 about his Zex Kit. The "purple box" completely wigged out on him and he hasn't been able to do a full Dyno OR track run this season because of it, with only 2 weeks left here in Gainesville. He sent the solenoid box off A MONTH ago, and he still hasn't heard anything from them. Great reliability and service huh?

Like I said.. there are TWO sides to every coin. If you call heads, and it lands tails one time, dont't be afraid to pick the coin back up and flip it again.

Suavy, if you want to start a fund (Paypal or whatever), I'll be happy to throw a little money towards getting Denny here so ONCE AND FOR ALL, we can quell at least one bashfest on these boards. The irony is that I most likely won't have the chance to go Nitrous in my L, but I respect the people in the businees, and my friends with L's enough, to want to get to the bottom of this.

Peace & Grease Big Guy,

Josh

 

I think the RT kit has proven itself today with all these guys including JLP and Charlie running new bests!! I am aiming for low 10's myself.

 

My racetested kit has proven it's superior in track results over my previous NX kit. It's smoother, more consistent and the truck runs faster. This is my direct comparison of the experience and results of the racetested kit compared to my NX kit.

I love how this has been posted by me more than once both here and on NLOC, as well as wydopnthrtl's experiences and results, yet people still ask to see trucks with "real results" so denny can prove his kit. He's had several already do it, including JLP, what does it take? I guess if it's not someone from New England it lacks credibility on this board?

 

2 years and 21 runs to get (1) 11 out of Zex

EVERY ENTIRE RUN on my Race Tested kit HAS BEEN within thousands or hundreds of sec's of each other (7 now in a row). THERE IS NO MORE CONSISTANT THAN THAT, it HAS been proven TIME AFTER TIME, and even Friday when I blew up 300 - 500 ft into the run IT STILL RAN an 11

I know some people not happy with the RT HP have stepped foward lately,
(yes me too) but unlike the rest I have spent hours talking to Denny on the phone working mine out. And Just this morning I got e-mail from Sal "who is still helping" to figure out what happen, and we think we do now know....

Some facts
Gator was able to pull 130 HP out of the 150 kit using the nylon line that is only rated for 125-140 HP at the flywheel. So Jim in fact was able to pull all the power from the 150 kit you can expect using that line. BTW for anyone looking for the high hp (imo above 125) YOU WILL HAVE TO USE BRAIDED LINES PERIOD (due to the required flow needed).
Unfortunately yes they were plagued with feed line issues and took the kit off now, BUT lets not forget my Truck is there now and I have all braided lines so lets wait and see what happens next, I have MUCH FAITH in Jim and Race Tested.

Marks truck we can all agree IS nozzle related
AND what Sal expressed his opinion about in this e-mail also happens to be nozzle related in my case. Short version is when Sal took the CL upper off he noticed the projection of my nozzle spray WAS NOT optimal. Yes it was a great location, no problem there, but due to the shortness of the nozzle we believe it was infact spaying into a dead end, (right before the upper turns) and prob projecting most "if not all" the N20 straight into the wall of the Upper, and not the path of flow, (hence explaining the bad results)

HENCE THE REASON I, SAL, AND NOW JIM, have all expressed our opinion on why Denny should make this easy on us and provide only braided lines and longer nozzles on the HIGH HP Lightning applications.



In the end the nightmare of this all may be by Sal fixing my Nozzle problem,
and us not thinking to re-dyno AFTER THAT, is in fact what blew me up Friday. So lets see, it's Sals fault for fixing it, Dennys fault cause it was the n20 kit NOW going lean that blew it up, (more n20, but no more fuel), and me for driving it that way (and yes I do admitt I stayed into it WAY TOO LONG after I knew cylinders where dropping out Friday. I JUST WANTED THAT DAM NUMBER &^$%@(&$^%@($&^@%$(@%$(@$

AS I continue to say, PAY ATTENTION
I pay, YOU LEARN...........
Somehow that just isnt fair, )*&^)*#@%^)@$%^)@$*&%@)$%$%
when can I watch, AND YOU ALL PAY
Either way, we're back on track now, and it'll only get better from here.....
JLP and Co proved yesterday that RACE TESTED ROCKS, like I've always said they do.....

 

It was an awsome display at Cecil yesterday with a good number of JLP trucks running in the 10s. I wish I knew those guys better as there is much to learn. Since I am from Ct. I go to Etown and hang mostly with customers of JDM and PSP as they are there in greater #s than JLP tuned people. It would be nice to get a bigger mix of clients from all tuners to a couple of events each year.
All the internet drama goes away at the track as we see theperson instead of the words.
Jim