Yes I agree sometimes a new angle is needed to find these problems. I think Sal is one of the best Engine Builders and Tuners out there, never have nor ever will have a bad word to say bout the man, he's a wizard, an absolute perfectionist, and he's always treated me like family, I love the guy. I also believe I got meself one of the best built motors out there. Unfortunately my truck has falling into that class (as hundreds of built L's before me have), where as once you build the Motor it's never the same : o (
Tuning problems start popping up everywhere. I mean ya I've been driving it daily for 6 months now and enjoying it inbetween the problems, but 37 Dynos,
8 sets of plugs, added pumps, added Cat Back, another set of Injectors, diff Superchargers, Ignition changes, Pulley changes, bla bla bla
THAT WAS THE STUFF THAT BROKE THE BANK, I was NOT prepaired for that.
and unfortunately I dont have the money to start over and pay some huge expense to let someone else give it a try now.

These past problems (and of course the on going issue) has clearly gotten the best of me, put me in the worse got dam money problems I've ever had in my life, and it's effecting everything now. I guess I'll write it off as the year from hell face the facts there will be no racing, and try and figure a way to tune it myself, "or at least be able to monitor and make changes myself"

Believe me peeps I would like nothing better than to drop it off at Sal, Jim or Johnny and get this behind me, but Sals too busy, Jim and Johnny need the truck to do anything, and I just cant afford it with the Holidays only 12 weeks away.

FK FK FK is all I can say &@$%(@$%@$(^%@$(*@$%(*@$^%(@$
And I really thought this X Cal would be the move but now your telling me it dont do what they advertise it to do, WTF is up with that ???

 

A lot of the features advertised are not yet ready. JJ has the latest revision available, call him for the scoop.
Jim

 

the only feature the XCAL2 doesn't curently support is the standalone data logging. That feature is in BETA, and will be available any time.

if you have or get a racer package, you will have everything you need to tune the vehicle. Many places that sell racer packages will also give you a starter tune to begin from. A laptop is nice to have so you can really data log things, but won't be necessary when the standalone data logging firmware is available.

Brian

 

Thanks Brian

So your saying I can get a X Cal2
Start with a Base tune or 3, and then "I" can adjust everything it says in that advertisement I posted ???

And then soon enough "I" will actually be able to data log too ?

Please describe a little further "doesn't curently support the standalone data logging"

As it is right now, would I be able to see whats going on with the AF, Timing, Anything ?

THANKS

 

you can't get accurate AF off the data bus from the vehicle. If you really want to tune your own vehicle and have real control, there are five things you need (In my opinion)

1) XCalibrator2
2) Racer Package
3) Wideband O2 to connect to the XCAL2 (like the Innovative LC1)
4) A Laptop
5) Time and patience

The laptop is a plus so you can make major tune changes using our advanced software. You can make adjustemts from the device screen too, but there are limits to what you can do on a 3" screen. With the laptop and the Racer Package, you have access to hundreds of tables, functions and scalars that you can change to really tweak everything. If you have the time and patience, the only limit on how good your tune is will be how much time you want to spend. Some SCT Racer Package owners have probably spent dozens of hours fine tuning everything about their vehicle from the idle speed and decay to transmission shifts and converter lockup.

The XCalibrator2 has two sets of on-screen features that until recently were not available. The first was the user adjustments from the keypad, but those are now available in the latest release.

The second feature was "stand alone" datalogging. This is where you view and record the PID or DMR paramaters from the screen on the XCAL2 instead of thru a connected laptop. This feature is almost ready for release, and will be a free upgrade for all XCAL2 owners once we launch it.

XCAL2 on-screen user adjustability and a Pro Racer package are really two different things. The on-screen adjustability from the XCAL2 is for teaking a tune for modifications, data, or just to fit your personal prefrences. The Racer pacakge is a tool that will let you start from scratch and do everything your way. It is not very forgiving, but anyone with basic computer knowledge and patience can learn. Once you learn, you are no longer depenant on any tuner. There are also two private support forums where Racer Pro owners help each other.

 

I forgot to mention, until the stand alone data logging firmware is released you can still get the same information with a laptop and our Livelink software. There is a DEMO of livelink on our forums at our website.

 

Some things of interest here.........

1) Rob makes a post with the word CHEAPEST in it!
Big surprise, huh?

2) Rob wants to do his own tuning............
Am I the only one who thinks this is a waaaay bad idea?
Can you imagine Rob making TIMING adjustments

3) Do I understand this correctly, that tuning has been his problem all along?

 

Ok Gator maybe you do make a good point here
You put a button in front of me and say dont touch it,
FORGETABOUTIT
(TG I aint the Pres and have THE BUTTON in front on me hu)

Hey BTW can you do this



Man that hurts, I really got to stop doing that, hehehehehehe

As for it all being tune related ? I mean ya we def had issues with the combo of 50's and tune I was running, (8 sets of melted plugs kind of proved that), and yes I do now clearly have a new issue with the combo of 60's and tune. And yes when I change the tune to an old Eaton tune the issue goes away 100%, (last week I tried that again and thought the issue was still there on the old tune too, @$%@(&$^%@$& but then realized the switch wasnt hooked up and I was still on the current tune, hehehehe. Once I hooked the switch back up, YES the issue went away again so yes it does appear to be tune related in that sense.

THANKS BRIAN, great info, great product, and I'm SOLD
But I do know better than to tune it completely AT THIS TIME, (I need some help right now, AND SOME MORE MONEY) so this is what I decided on "for step one". I DO PLAN TO TAKE UP THE OTHER STEPS AS TIME GOES ON

BTW, Thanks Jim you were right, JJ does have the latest edition and upgrades of the SCT X Cal 2. It's worked out so I will recieve 3 tunes custom to my Mods on the XCal2, I will also recieve the full meal tunning software, and I will also recieve the XCal2 UNLOCKED and "I" will then be able to upload my programs on my computer, make any changes I want on my computer to my tunes, "OR" have files e-mailed back and forth for upload and downloading.

Until I can get a Wide Band Commander in there I CANT data log with either the Racer Pro or XCal2, but as said once the XCal2 feature is released (soon I'm told), and I add a Wide Band Commander or Innovative LC102, I WILL be able to see and Data Log what is going on, and with my past issues and problems I think I need to. One thing at a time right now, and thats to get the truck driving bogg free again......

Last week it bogged and stalled in the middle of an intersection and cars had to lock um up to prevent hitting me : o () YIKES, and then at one light I couldnt even get the truck to move one inch through the entire cycle of the green light, had a million people beeping at me.
THAT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and it wont happen again ......

 

The SCTxcal2 sounds alot like the Diablo Preditor:

The Predator features end user adjustable parameters so the end user can customize his/her tune depending on other modifications done to the vehicle. Because we allow for timing and fuel adjustments the end user can optimize the tune for his/hers specific vehicle utilizing a dyno with proper air fuel monitoring and utilizing the Predator's live data feature to monitor timing and other vital parameters.

The Predator allows the end user to adjust the following parameters:
Please note, these parameters refer to the latest R9 revision

Global Spark Adder -6 to 4degrees add or subtract
MAF Curve adjustment
3000-6000rpm Timing Table (+10/- 40%)
1000-2500rpm Timing Table (+10/- 40%)
Injector size adjustment
1000-3000rpm Fuel Table (+40(rich)/-10(lean)%)
3000-6000rpm Fuel Table (+40(rich)/-10(lean)%)
Idle (+/- 20%) (400-1200rpm)
Rear 02 Sensors (Off-road Exh), EGR on/off
Rev Limiter , drive and neutral 6400rpm, max
Full Throttle Shift Points RPM
Part throttle Shift Pressure per gear
WOT Shift Pressure per gear
Global Line Pressure adder 0-50psi
Torque Modulation ON/OFF per gear
Re-Calibrate Speedometer for Gear and Tire Size Changes

The Predators advanced diagnostic features allows end user scan and erase fault codes. Predator contains all the Ford specific fault codes known. Unlike the competition, fault codes are displayed along with plain text description of the code. No need to look through a manual to find what a particular fault code means.
The diagnostics features can be used on any Ford OBDII vehicle, regardless if the tool has locked itself to a specific vehicle or not.

Data logging is available as well. Logging stores 30 minutes of data, with slow rate the logging allows for up to 90 minutes. The log can be viewed in Predator, or it can be uploaded to PC for viewing with the FREE DiabloSport DAT Viewer for Windows software (download yours now).

Some of the available Parameters that can be logged are:

RPM
Spark Advance
Fuel Pulse Width
Load
Vehicle Speed
MAF sensor
Long and Short Term Fuel Trims
and many, many more...

No wideband input put I have the WBC software for that.
jeff

 

I had a Predator and thought it was the best at that time, but the Xcal 2 is a step ahead now. The xCal 1 was nice because it held multiple tunes and flashed the vehicle about 2 times quicker, but the lack of datalogging was disappointing. The xcal 2 finally takes the advantages of the Xcal 1 and fills the gaps on datalogging.

Starting from scratch today, I would pic the Xcal 2. Of course, if your tuner only does Diablo, then your choice is made for you.

-Mark

 

Ever think your PCM is completely toast from the 45.8 million tunes you've had in the truck?

I don't know Rob, you seem to have an electrical problem with your truck, not a tune problem if you ask me. Either way, good luck getting it fixed.

And you've been working on a dyno with your tune and you haven't fixed it, but you think a mail order and a WBC will? (not taking anything away from JJ, just saying Rob won't know whats going on with the new tune since he doe sn't have a wideband) Again Rob, I think you're throwing parts at the truck AGAIN. Why don't you drop the ****ing thing off SOMEWHERE and let them fix it.

 

There are pros and cons for both Preditor does not hold but one tune no analog inputs. Xcal2 not datalogging which will be fixed. I guess I'm just bias towrads Diablo because that is all I know I hope I don't see a xcal2 then I'll have to get one of them. I like the software program that lets you tune it the way you wany which the Preditor does not allow outside the parameters they allow now maybe they will offer a upgrade to make to totally equal to the xcal2. Right now though it is all I need for my tunning capabilities. Plus like you said James @ RWTD is only a Diablo supporter.
jeff

 

Quote:

Why don't you drop the ****ing thing off SOMEWHERE and let them fix it.

Good advice, It would probably work out to be cheaper, Leave it at JDM or PSP, when they have the time they won't let it leave the shop till its 100%. They can swap out things one at a time and if it didn't turn out to be that part then they just put it back on the shelf, unlike you who would have to pay for it. Don't give any B.S. about the satisfaction of working on your own vehicle, everyone likes to do their own work but if your stumped your stumped, and you and the rest of us would get much more satisfaction if you were burning up the 1/4 next to Gator.

 

The same chip with an older program I have on it ='s NO MORE BOGGING
I cant use it cause it throws a EGR code, (plus its for a Diff S/C and Injectors)

Unfortunately all the old Dyno info we had is useless due to some settings that were not correct. So even with 37 dyno's under it's belt, it's like starting fresh....

WB
I would like nothing more than to drop it off somewhere and get this behind me, been trying to do that with Sal for 1/2 a year now. But due to the fact he does take care of me BIG TIME I have to be squeezed in when ever he can and thats just not working anymore, you see whats happening we're just not getting anywhere.

As far as bringing it somewhere else, being hundreds of miles away from other tuners, hundreds of dollars in gas away, no way home once you drop it off, no way back to get it, (no one willing to do it immediately), the price some get to do it, and your prob looking at 1-2K when all is said and done, "EASY",
maybe A LOT more.

You know the way the game works, no one will even look at it unless it has 1000.00 of parts they sell (that you dont need) on it first. I say "you dont need" meaning you already have them, but didnt buy it from them, so until it has their stuff on it, no tune for you......
Unfortunately the poor people just cant play that Game....

 

I promise I will be lined up next to him and get dusted at JDM day.
(even if it's on NO CHIP)