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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 02:37 AM
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New L' intercooler sneak peek from SEMA

Here is a sneak peek at the new intercooler from AFCO.




It should be available in a couple of weeks according to the show rep.

 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 08:45 AM
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What power gains do they claim?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 09:05 AM
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Heat Exchanger

That's the intercooler's heat exchanger. The intercooler is under the blower.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 09:11 AM
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I understand that an aftermarket heat exchanger doesn't improve ET's. Would a fan cooled heat exchanger make a difference?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 10:01 AM
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How is air supposed to flow through that and cool down anything?

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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 10:43 AM
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Stl01SVT: Our intercooler system has two heat exchangers. Neither one by itself is "the intercooler." Calling the HE under the blower "the intercooler core" and the one under the bumper as "the heat exchanger" is just a convention adopted here.

Ron Rairie: No.

Built L: I share those concerns. What kind of shroud is not concave (like the InterChiller)?



And it looks like it weighs a million pounds.

Disappointing.

And they are still saying "two weeks." This is the Predator all over.

I've seen enough. I'm ordering the InterChiller.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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Tim, I bet it is about the same as the interchiller but for their larger-size heat exchanger.

When my core got replaced in my 2000, according to ford, the heat exchager in the intake tract is called the "charge air cooler" for the intercooler system.

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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 11:28 AM
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Tim, is this what you're referring to? What's the difference?
http://www.svcmotorsports.com/script...sp?ContentID=9
 

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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 11:50 AM
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Tim, I bet it is about the same as the interchiller but for their larger-size heat exchanger.

When my core got replaced in my 2000, according to ford, the heat exchager in the intake tract is called the "charge air cooler" for the intercooler system.

--Daniel
Other than slightly smaller fans and slightly less "bling," the InterChiller looks like a better design to my eyes. Have you ever before seen a shroud that was not concave? And there appears to be virtually no space beween the HE surface and the fans -- there should be a gap as with the InterChiller.

"Intercooler" and "charge air cooler" (CAC) are, as a prectical matter, synonymous. Vortech claims that automotive CACs should not be called "intercoolers," because that term applies only to CACs between two compressors, so they call theirs an "aftercooler." Nonsense -- compressor 1 = blower, compressor 2 = engine.

More semantics: ProCharger is now referring to intercoolers such as ours as "air-to-water-to-air." Air-to-water is when ice water is used at the track with no secondary HE to attempt to cool the water back down.

RR: That's the one. Sold at Sport Truck Direct.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 12:39 PM
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I understand that an aftermarket heat exchanger doesn't improve ET's. Would a fan cooled heat exchanger make a difference?
You'll get more consistent runs though.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 02:02 PM
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Big waste of money. When you restrict air flow with fans, you don't help anything. This would only work at idle. At high speed it would create problems.

What a joke.

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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 02:41 PM
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Big waste of money. When you restrict air flow with fans, you don't help anything. This would only work at idle. At high speed it would create problems.

What a joke.

TB

From a previous post on this board:

"Well about that restriction. I did my own testing without the system installed. Cruising on the freeway for 25 miles at 80mph in drive (3rd gear) turning about 3600 rpm. Intake temp on the 2nd IAT sensor (the one in the intake manifold), I had a constant temp of 135 degrees. Then I put the InterChiller system on and did the same run with the fans off. Constant temp of 138 degrees. Then with the fans on, constant temp of 110 degrees. What do you think about your restriction now? Wouldn't you have the same issues with the engine radiator also. It has a shroud too, does it restrict the air flow? No. The fans will spin as the air rushes by them. The best part of this system is the shroud. Because it pulls the air through the whole intercooler, not just where the fans are mounted."

Every radiator has a fan and a shroud.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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Tim it is concave. It has about a 1-1.5" gap between it and the HE. When I looked at it I asked about "air daming" but after a closer look there is not that much area blocked.
Hey Art-Man did you get their catalog? If so is there a black L doing a burnout on the cover? If so its me I am supposed to be on the cover but things could change.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Tim Skelton

From a previous post on this board:

"Well about that restriction. I did my own testing without the system installed. Cruising on the freeway for 25 miles at 80mph in drive (3rd gear) turning about 3600 rpm. Intake temp on the 2nd IAT sensor (the one in the intake manifold), I had a constant temp of 135 degrees. Then I put the InterChiller system on and did the same run with the fans off. Constant temp of 138 degrees. Then with the fans on, constant temp of 110 degrees. What do you think about your restriction now? Wouldn't you have the same issues with the engine radiator also. It has a shroud too, does it restrict the air flow? No. The fans will spin as the air rushes by them. The best part of this system is the shroud. Because it pulls the air through the whole intercooler, not just where the fans are mounted."


Every radiator has a fan and a shroud.


I ran a road course 2 weeks ago. 30 minute sessions and about 6-7 sessions for the day. Not to restrict air flow, I have installed a single Spal fan on the far left side of the exchanger. With an ambiant temperature of 70 degrees, my highest fluid temperature in the reservoir was in the high 80's. It is my opinion that adding a second fan or some type of shroud would not improve cooling. In a previous test, on a car without a shroud and a fan on the radiator, we achieved superior cooling over 50mph due to increased air flow.

At the same event, I monitored a friend's 03 Cobra which was being driven very hard. At stock boost levels, the highest observed fluid temperature was 97-98 degrees.

In order to generate 135 degrees at a constant 80mph, you have to be generating a ton of heat possibly from seriously over-spinning the blower or extremely high ambiant temperatures.

Whatever works for you but this has been my observations. I just see to many parts with outrageous claims that don't live up to expectations.

TB
 
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 08:47 PM
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I saw the cooler at sema too.It is a double pass.But they told me that it is out for the cobra now.A shop in Texas[ forgot who] is aready selling them.
As for the intercooler I found the last piece of the puzzle and will be making one that is more efficent than the stock one and should have it up and running by the first of the year!Stan
 
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