Before sal had the SCT software he was never able to get around maxing out the mass air without totally disrupting the load tables in the computer, even when using larger or custom MAF's.

With the SCT software he can completely compensate for it and has done so in Big Red's latest incarnation.

 

So that is a device advantage

So when people make their choice, they can ask themselves if they will take their truck far enough to max out their MAF or add a different one.

-Mark

 

A truck making 415 rwhp on so can easily max out the maf on a normal day for 100rpm or so, and really max it out quickly on a cold night.. Always keep in mind the colder it gets the denser the air is, and the easier the MAF will max out.

 

This is getting interesting. Especially since im going to be buying a programmer soon.

 

Exactly. And Jerry W. works with SCTs, NOT Predators.

No offense, but I'd trust someone like Jerry with my truck's tune long before I'd trust a mushroom farmer or a hotdog vendor. The only other person I'd ever consider would be Brian Herron, who is now with SCT as well.

 

jerry w. has been around tunning fords for awile, and he also tunned my mustang with all the vortech stuff, exhaust, gears, etc. he did it all in 3 runs on the dyno. a/f was big and fat 11.1 across the board, i've got the dyno graphs to show for it.

base tweeter is cheaper than the preadator. only $380, and you can get them used for like 200.

if were, me, and will be here shortly, i'd get my money's worth. the preadator and sct stuff like it is just not worth the money and time. you only get tunes that have worked on previous set ups, unlike the tweecer and sct software. using these, there are no limits on a dyno.

later

 

this just about sounds up all of your posts.

 

"you can't educate the willfully ignorant"

 

Some people don't like to hear the truth...

I know that I love my SCT pro racer package. As Chiz stated, there really is no limit with it. Just look at what Sal is doing with it. I like knowing *exactly* what is in my tune, not wondering what someone else put in it. Just look at that other post on maxing out MAF's that was posted on here the other day as an example. JL posted his 9sec. timeslip saying that his MAF was maxed out on that run, therefore tuning with a maxed out MAF is not a problem. Sure, you can rape the fuel tables and try to make it rich enough for all conditions so it doesn't blow up, but thats a hack. That's now how I want my truck tuned.

-NGK

 

has anyone looked into the fast system? will this even work on the truck?
Click Me
David

 

FAST EFI is a great system, I'm running it in my 6 second 215mph 63' Corvette. The only L I know of thats running it is CALightning (I think) out in Cali. Prepare to hack up your wiring harness to use it.

 

MisterGadget, please know what you are talking about before you make statements about what I can and can't do, in the present or the past.

I don't want to get involved in a pissing match between Diablo and SCT. I use and sell them both, along with Autologic. I will tell you all right now, there is nothing that can be done with the SCT software that can't be done with Diablo's software. Anyone who tells you differently is full of crap. While it's true that both software version do have differences, they are basically just how data is displayed. The "ability" to do things is the same. As for the MAF issues, I have always had the ability to correctly tune for MAFs, even with the single bank Autologic software. Autologic dealers have been doing proper MAF corrections well before either SCT or Diablo existed.

When SCT first came on the scene, there was LOTS of crap slinging by all the SCT people about how everyone who didn't use SCT didn't do stuff right. After I came on board with SCT and started talking to some of those people about this very issue, it amazed me that these same people had no idea that the rest of us DID have the ability to do the same stuff, and admitted to not really knowing much about the other software. Needless to say, since Brian Herron went to SCT and took the role as business manager, this mud slinging has been told to stop, and the only people who still seem to be doing it now are the "customers" who still believe the inaccuracies they were originally told.

 

Thanks for clearing that up for some people Sal. Not to discount any of the mentioned professionals skills, but I don't think that's what this post was originally about. The question was asked which device was better...not the tuners that are available to tune on it.

The both serve the same purpose...a handheld PCM reflash tool. I will speak from my experience with the Predator since that's the only one I have dealt with. The diagnostic capabilities are nice, but for me once I have my tune set then I don't worry about all the parameters of what the computer handles. It has been behind my seat since the last time I went to the track over a month ago. I just enjoy driving my truck with the extra power and adjustments made to the modifications. Now on the flipside if there was anything I needed to do to the PCM to compensate for cooler air (winter) or maybe a small shot of nitrous then I have enough padding built into my tune where I can adjust for that myself without having to wait or pay for a adjusted tune. And then afterwards it goes back behind my seat until the next track day. So take it for what it's worth from someone who daily drives their truck and races on the occasional weekend...the flexability of the predator is what sold me. Good luck with your decision

 

My mistake Sal, sorry about that. :o

But can the diablo software turn the efans on and off using the PCM like my SCT does?

 

Excellent response, Sal.

I have always respected your intelligent and informative posts, as well as the fact that you usually stay out of the mud.