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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 12:23 PM
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Predator vs New SCT Tuner

Is the Predator only a 2 bank tuner and the new SCT SuperChips tuner a 4 Bank? If so, I think I will wait for the SCT Tuner to be available.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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The Predator is 4 bank. I have full control over all PCM parameters. Here is a complete list of Predator info that I posted on another forum where some people we a bit confused:


"Concerning adjustability, the Predator offers the following:

- Idle: Will adjust for both Drive and Neutral (this is good for those who have changed pulleys, as you can slightly raise the idle rpms to get rid of the common gear lash sound)

- Axle Ratio: Can adjust from a 0.0 up to a 5.0 in .1 increments (aside from gear changes, this feature will allow you to compensate for different height slicks to run at the track, without making a permanent change to your chip, or needing a second program)

- Fuel Base: Will adjust from -15% to +15% for PE mode (this allows you to add or subtract up to 15% of fuel, at WOT over 3500 rpms. 15% of fuel is a LOT. If you had an A/F of 12.5:1, 15% subrtaction would drop it down into the 10s!)

- Spark Advance (Timing): Will adjust from from -10% to +10% for PE mode (this allows you to add or subtract 10% timing at WOT over 3500 rpms. That gives you roughly 2 degrees to add or take away from your current program. You could add in some timing at the track and use some Torco or race fuel, then take it back out for street driving)

- Rev Limit: Will adjust for both Rev Limit drive and Rev Limit neutral. Allows user to adjust ON/OFF rev limits, for each individual gear, in 50 rpm increments. (self explainitory)

- OBDII: Allows turning of Bank 1 and 2 Rear Oxygen Sensor ON/OFF, or ALL O2's ON/OFF (if you went to no cats, you could disable the HEGOs yourself instead of needing a new program)

- Wheel/Tire Sizing: Allows adjustment and correction of speedometer for larger/smaller tires. (same benefits of the axle ratio adjustment, just a different way of doing it)

- Shift Adaption (duration): Allows user to adjust the time delay during the gear change, i.e. quickness of the shift, from -25% up to +25%
- Shift Pressure: Allows user to adjust the firmness of the shift action, for each individual gear, from -25% up to +25% (these two allow you to adjust how hard or soft the trans shifts. Good for fine tuning shifting, especially after adding a valve body. You can also add some pressure in at the track, or for nitrous use)

- Shift Points (MPH): Allows user to adjust at what MPH the shift should take place, for each individual gear, in 1 mph increments.
- Shift Points (RPM): Allows user to adjust at what RPM the shift should take place, for each individual gear, in 10 rpm increments. (these two allow the user to select his own shift points)

Aside from the adjustability, the Predator also is a diagnostic tool:

- Predator can read and erase fault codes, and contains all the Ford specific P codes.
- Predator diagnostics will work on all 96-03 OBD-II Ford Mustangs or F-Series Gas vehicles.
- Predator can monitor over 400 tuning parameters!
- Predator can log tune data, at 90 samples per second, for at least a 30-minute period (that's WAY faster than the Ford NGS datalogging)

The other benefits of the Predator are that you can get custom tunes directly from us at PSP. New tunes can be e-mailed to you, you do not have to send your Predator in to us like a chip. You can get as many custom tunes as you want, store them on your PC, and just load them into the Predator as you need them. If you currently have a chip from us, we can make your chip programs into Predator files. You can also run your chip on the Predator flashed PCM if you choose, so you could have your current chip tunes, as well as the option of getting new tunes via e-mail, with no downtime.

So you see, the Predators "adjustability" is limited, BUT it also very powerful at the same time. Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion, and if anyone has questions, feel free to ask."

I don't know all the details on the SCT Tuner, so I won't comment on it. But at least you now have all the Predator info.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 12:51 PM
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The Blackwell truck is now running on a PSP tune via the Predator... all I have to say is:
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:00 PM
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The Predator is a great tool. You don't have to worry about loosing your favorite vendors tunes. Just buy the Predator from them, and have them load you a custom tune. I have a JLP tune on my Predator, and it rocks.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:18 PM
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Sounds good!
My plans are to probably purchase the Predator then get the truck Dyno Tuned. I would then burn the stock and dyno tune to the predator for backup and for tweaking when I install my 4:10's.
I have a ProPipe which will make an email tune almost impossible to get right.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:25 PM
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I am waiting for the New Superchips Custom 4 bank, 4 position chip to be released. I will be available in about a month, and since I allready am running the chip I feel this is best for me.

This way I don't have to extract what ecer program I have in the ECU and then download a new one. I can just flip a switch and go.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by TampaBlack99
Sounds good!
My plans are to probably purchase the Predator then get the truck Dyno Tuned. I would then burn the stock and dyno tune to the predator for backup and for tweaking when I install my 4:10's.
I have a ProPipe which will make an email tune almost impossible to get right.
What I'd suggest is to have us make you a tune first, then dyno that new tune. Then just get back to us with the dyno data with A/F, and we can do final tweaking to get it perfect. It's not hard at all.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by LightningTuner
What I'd suggest is to have us make you a tune first, then dyno that new tune. Then just get back to us with the dyno data with A/F, and we can do final tweaking to get it perfect. It's not hard at all.
That's because your the master !
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:33 PM
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I trust you more than anyone out there.
So, locally all I will have to do is get a dyno and take it easy for awhile.
Have you done any tunes yet with similar mods and a ProPipe from Babolt/BilletFlow?
My A/F right now stock disappears off the chart 1/2 thru the run, lots more power to be had
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:38 PM
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Re: Predator vs New SCT Tuner

Originally posted by TampaBlack99
Is the Predator only a 2 bank tuner and the new SCT SuperChips tuner a 4 Bank? If so, I think I will wait for the SCT Tuner to be available.
I'd recommend reading up on the SCT stuff at modulardepot. They have a FAQ and Q&A forums. It's an awesome product.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:44 PM
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I heard the Gear Change feature didnt work on the Predator and they were working on it. Im not speaking about correcting gear ratio with Revolution Software, Im speaking about using the feature on the Predator.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by LightningTuner

- Rev Limit: Will adjust for both Rev Limit drive and Rev Limit neutral. Allows user to adjust ON/OFF rev limits, for each individual gear, in 50 rpm increments. (self explainitory)
hmm....

back in the days of my DSM '95 Eclipse, there was a program available to set the REV limit when staging. You just hold down the gas as much as possible, and once you let off the clutch, you knew you were at the exact RPM you wanted to be for a perfect launch.

Is there anything like that in which we could have programmed? I know that the only difference is the clutch aspect, going from Neutral to "in-gear"....
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by TampaBlack99
I trust you more than anyone out there.
So, locally all I will have to do is get a dyno and take it easy for awhile.
Have you done any tunes yet with similar mods and a ProPipe from Babolt/BilletFlow?
My A/F right now stock disappears off the chart 1/2 thru the run, lots more power to be had
Sal should have the ability to burn a chip for that. I have a couple BaBolt pipes and Sal said he could burn a chip for my mods and the power pipe.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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That's what I like to hear!
 
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Old Feb 4, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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- Shift Points (MPH): Allows user to adjust at what MPH the shift should take place, for each individual gear, in 1 mph increments.
Is this adjustable without being in WOT conditions? It would make sense to me if it's not a WOT adjustment because a MPH shift point could vary depending on if you have traction or not. You wouldn't want it to shift into second if you're only doing 10mph at WOT. So are all of these adjustments at WOT?
 
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