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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:02 PM
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exactly my point AZ, you don't know, i don't know, but i'd like to think that he should be punished for it either way, and if he did it with intent, eff him, let him go to prison. That's why we invented the judicial system. Lots of books on it, check your local library.

Edit: By punished for it either way, I dont necessarily mean for him to go to prison, I don't think thats gonna solve a damn thing. But I do think a suspended license for awhile would be a good thing. If he did it with intent, eff him, let him go to jail, but i highly doubt that's how it went down. I'm sure he feels bad, but I think he should own up to it. It will be better for him in the long run anyway.
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by AZ fun
And maybe it happened this way......

The mercedes was in the lead they went around a corner the lightning lost control and the kid didn't see what happened. Figuring the lightning backed off and the kid kept going. The kid should not be held responsible for a 51 year old man's death who made just as a stupid decision as a teen. So if you really look at it who was the real adult in this situation.

thanks for the breath of fresh air....
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:14 PM
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grinomyte,

We see eye to eye. All I am doing is taking sides to where I think the kid is innocence of the death. Yes either way he should be punished to the extent of any laws that were broken......
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by AZ fun
grinomyte,

We see eye to eye. All I am doing is taking sides to where I think the kid is innocence of the death. Yes either way he should be punished to the extent of any laws that were broken......

Amen!
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:36 PM
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either way he should be punished to the extent
...like anyone here wouldnt be in prison for life if we were held accountable for every time we broke a traffic law...sure seems like a lot of rock throwing from glass house owners!
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by 03LightninRocks
Mistergadget.................you have my respect. I am assuming that your still in high school.

My son just left for his first year of college. I hope if he is faced with the same choice, he is man enough to do as you did.


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Well said.
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Brian Baskin
Everyone automatically assumes that the kid will go to jail, which is probably the farthest thing from the truth. WE are not the jury or the judge. They will look at the facts and decide what the outcome will be. My bets are that he'll get charged with leaving the scene of an accident and wreckless driving, probably lose his license for 6 months, that's even if he was involved. It's not like he'll be tied down in jail for a year and have his hands cut off. He was involved in an illegal activity, and reported.

No one here has any evidence at all whether the person is guilty or innocent, but still like to place blame and speculate... God, I love this crowd. Same thing with mecca, let's find out half the story, from a third party source, and make up stuff to fill in the gap, then spend 6 pages on the internet arguing over who made up the best lie.
Brian no disrespect but you complain that people that ASSume and then you do the same damn thing You know the 2 great things about the internet ? First, it gives us the ability to discuss topics and share thoughts, I dont see a bunch of arguing and name calling like we usually see. Second, You dont have to read it if you dont like it.

It is my opinion, that the other driver will get the book thrown at him. It will be by either a person who is Trying to further his career, Pressure from some political figure seeking re-election, Greiving(sp) Family, People tired of speeders in their neighborhood or the public in general. Im not complaining about this because this is the way many things happen in this country. Im just saying my opinion is this other driver should get nothing different than he would have got if pulled over by police and no wreck envolved.


MisterGadget- In no way do I think what you did was wrong, I just said in my 1st post, it would be a tough call if I was it your position. If anything I applaud you for being a active member in society than just a person who doesnt give a crap. I dont know your age but if you are young, you obviously are already more productive in you community than alot of your elders.
 

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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by AutoPCSystems
...like anyone here wouldnt be in prison for life if we were held accountable for every time we broke a traffic law...sure seems like a lot of rock throwing from glass house owners!
minor traffic offenses and being involved in a street race with someone that got killed are two totally different things. Talk about extremes, come on!!! The cops did not say they were looking for a murderer or someone who was guilty of manslaughter, they said they were looking for someone in a black Mercedes that may have been involved. Let the court determine whether the driver is guilty or innocent.
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by AutoPCSystems
how would you like it if you were on the other side...ever heard of the glass house theory?
I wanted to stay out of this thread and I tried for as long as I could... But some of the comments on here I can't sit here and take in.
Some of you guys are saying it is not the kids fault. I'll agree with that to a certain extent.
I don't know the whole story, so everything I say is merely an accusation and opinion.
IF THE MERCEDES DRIVER IS GUILTY OF RACING and comes clean with that, then I would hold him partially responsible for the accident. If he wasn't there would the guy in the Lightning still be with us today? That is the question you have to prove in court. Yes he didn't make the guy in the Lightning race, but he may or may not have "instigated" the race. Which led to the accident. Even if it was the guy in the Lightning who started it, and initiated the race, as long as the guy in the Mercedes "fought back" or raced I would still hold him partially responsible for the crash. Some may not agree with me, that’s fine.

There is a chance the guy in the Lightning just lost control of the truck (ie road conditions) and the guy in the Mercedes just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. (racing or not racing)
What the kid needs to prove if the guy was going to hit the curb and crash regardless of his actions. If he can not, then in my eyes, he is partially responsible for the accident. Will some agree?

If I was in the Mercedes and saw the crash would I have stopped?
I'd love to say I have the courage to stop. I really would like to be man enough to take responsibility for my actions. That was a judgment call the kid made. He may have to live with it for the rest of his life. I am glad I have never been put in a situation like that. Until then none of us can 100% say they'd stay or go.

When you guys say look at it from the other point of view. (as in the kids point of view) How about you look at it from the family of the guy killed? Put yourself in there shoes. Say it happens to someone you love and you hear some kid is out there, who may have instigated them to race, and now you will never see him or her again because of an accident. Are you going to put any blame on the kid? Do you think that's fair? Do you think the "rules of the game" apply to the people who don't play the game?

There is a lot we don't know. None of us were there. None of us can change anything. All we can do is learn from it and it's a shame it cost us ones life and maybe changed another’s.
Thanks, Shane
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 02:23 PM
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He already had his license suspended and a few outstanding tickets.

I feel bad for him because it could happen to anyone where someone else you are racing loses it. He couldve been ten carlengths back and not had a single thing to do with it, but he still gets the blame.

Even if I hadn't told he was still the prime suspect and had already been fingered by many others.

He missed school today to go and try to clear his name.

P.S. the merc driver is 19 I am 17.
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 02:42 PM
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Seriously what did the kid do????? Except an exhibition of speed from 0-100 at the max i bet... He didnt kill the guy, he didnt mug him, he didnt rape him, he did not do anything DIRECTLY to the guy that caused him his death...
How do you know, were you there? How do you know the kid didn't directly cause the other truck to wreck. NO ONE DOES, except the kid. So, the police are looking for him, a real American turned him in, and the police are going to piece together exactly what happened that night that caused this to transpire. Without the kid being turned in, it'll probably just be written off that the L owner lost control. However, what if they find out that the MB driver swerved to miss a piece of retread and pushed the L off the road, or anything of that sort.
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 02:53 PM
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Brian no disrespect but you complain that people that ASSume and then you do the same damn thing You know the 2 great things about the internet ? First, it gives us the ability to discuss topics and share thoughts, I dont see a bunch of arguing and name calling like we usually see. Second, You dont have to read it if you dont like it.
First, I don't see where I was assuming Maybe in the fact that there are people here that just love to argue, no matter what the argument is.
But the "don't have to read it" does swing both ways. When he mentioned that he was going to turn the person in, the people against it could've just ignored it and carried on without commenting
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 02:54 PM
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Now that all the teeny boppers have had a chance to hop on the internet and show everyone how COOL they are, by trashing the police, basic honor and human dignity, I think I'll throw in one more clarification.

The issue here is NOT whose fricking fault it is. The issue is NOT wether the law is fair in matters like this.

The issue is about what kind of POS would watch someone have a crash of this magnitude, and not feel the desire to want to go back and make an attempt at saving someones life?


You kiddies talk tough...but I'm not the least bit impressed.


Rocks
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 03:02 PM
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gee, i know when i'm doing 100+ through curved unlit city streets, my main concern isnt that i pay attention to driving etc, its wondering how my fellow street racer is doing back there...keep your eyes glued to the rear view mirror not the phucking road ahead is my motto...am i my brothers keeper?
 
Old Nov 14, 2003 | 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by AutoPCSystems
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am i my brothers keeper?

Yes, You sure the FOCK are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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