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Hey Dave, thanks for the infomation but stop trying to drum up sales for your product. Now if you would like to give us directions on how to do it ourselves, we wouldnt complain.
I do have a couple of questions,
You Wrote
"So then, I guess I should just disreguard the passes @ the track where my own truck & others showed only a increase of about 10f IC coolant temp after the pass."
What were the actual coolant temps, before & after pass ?
You Wrote
"Oh & I heard today that one of the other L's that has my chiller installed was testing @ the dyno Friday. They only got around 3 pulls in before the trans went away. But after 3 pulls which nomally raises the IAT to 160f to 180f, they measured a IAT of 50f "
I find this very hard to believe looking at things from a physics standpoint. You are saying that a Lightning with a stock intercooler observed a 110-130 degree drop in IAT temps ? Im sorry but that is complete BS, the intercooler is not that efficent. My truck with 42 degree water saw IATs of 85 degrees (Start) to 96 degrees(finish) and at the end of run had water temp of 55 How does my intercooler drop intake temps 40-45 degrees and your truck drops it 110-130 degrees ?
I do have a couple of questions,
You Wrote
"So then, I guess I should just disreguard the passes @ the track where my own truck & others showed only a increase of about 10f IC coolant temp after the pass."
What were the actual coolant temps, before & after pass ?
You Wrote
"Oh & I heard today that one of the other L's that has my chiller installed was testing @ the dyno Friday. They only got around 3 pulls in before the trans went away. But after 3 pulls which nomally raises the IAT to 160f to 180f, they measured a IAT of 50f "
I find this very hard to believe looking at things from a physics standpoint. You are saying that a Lightning with a stock intercooler observed a 110-130 degree drop in IAT temps ? Im sorry but that is complete BS, the intercooler is not that efficent. My truck with 42 degree water saw IATs of 85 degrees (Start) to 96 degrees(finish) and at the end of run had water temp of 55 How does my intercooler drop intake temps 40-45 degrees and your truck drops it 110-130 degrees ?
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Originally posted by syclondave
Never been a prob. here & 1 that is easy to fix.
So u don't have a real responce to your claims ?
Never been a prob. here & 1 that is easy to fix.
So u don't have a real responce to your claims ?
"responce" to what claim? I have nothing to prove here, but since you do why don't you post some evidence that this cooler you developed really works. Post some before and after time slips, dyno charts, autotap files, coma delimited files or something...
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From: Sherman Oaks Ca
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BigFan
[B]Hey Dave, thanks for the infomation but stop trying to drum up sales for your product. Now if you would like to give us directions on how to do it ourselves, we wouldnt complain.
I do have a couple of questions,
You Wrote
"So then, I guess I should just disreguard the passes @ the track where my own truck & others showed only a increase of about 10f IC coolant temp after the pass."
What were the actual coolant temps, before & after pass ?
Mine were like 90f before & 100f after, this was @ the sh*ty,hot, desert track that is only 50 miles from my house.
On 1 L. I measured 110f exiting the IC with the stock IC rad. & then 68f with the chiller replacing the rad.
You Wrote
"Oh & I heard today that one of the other L's that has my chiller installed was testing @ the dyno Friday. They only got around 3 pulls in before the trans went away. But after 3 pulls which nomally raises the IAT to 160f to 180f, they measured a IAT of 50f "
I find this very hard to believe looking at things from a physics standpoint. You are saying that a Lightning with a stock intercooler observed a 110-130 degree drop in IAT temps ? Im sorry but that is complete BS, the intercooler is not that efficent. My truck with 42 degree water saw IATs of 85 degrees (Start) to 96 degrees(finish) and at the end of run had water temp of 55 How does my intercooler drop intake temps 40-45 degrees and your truck drops it 110-130 degrees ?
Your statements above sound logical to me too. I'm just repeating what I was told. I should be going to the retest, I'll take my camcorder.
I 'm wating for dyno sheets too, I would have had them from that L. from Friday but like I said the trans broke. It's going back to the dyno as soon as it's fixed. I don't like making claims that can't be backed up with proof either, so I'm eager for it.
There will be more printed info as soon as the install/ test artical is released in Ford Truck World mag.
[B]Hey Dave, thanks for the infomation but stop trying to drum up sales for your product. Now if you would like to give us directions on how to do it ourselves, we wouldnt complain.
I do have a couple of questions,
You Wrote
"So then, I guess I should just disreguard the passes @ the track where my own truck & others showed only a increase of about 10f IC coolant temp after the pass."
What were the actual coolant temps, before & after pass ?
Mine were like 90f before & 100f after, this was @ the sh*ty,hot, desert track that is only 50 miles from my house.
On 1 L. I measured 110f exiting the IC with the stock IC rad. & then 68f with the chiller replacing the rad.
You Wrote
"Oh & I heard today that one of the other L's that has my chiller installed was testing @ the dyno Friday. They only got around 3 pulls in before the trans went away. But after 3 pulls which nomally raises the IAT to 160f to 180f, they measured a IAT of 50f "
I find this very hard to believe looking at things from a physics standpoint. You are saying that a Lightning with a stock intercooler observed a 110-130 degree drop in IAT temps ? Im sorry but that is complete BS, the intercooler is not that efficent. My truck with 42 degree water saw IATs of 85 degrees (Start) to 96 degrees(finish) and at the end of run had water temp of 55 How does my intercooler drop intake temps 40-45 degrees and your truck drops it 110-130 degrees ?
Your statements above sound logical to me too. I'm just repeating what I was told. I should be going to the retest, I'll take my camcorder.
I 'm wating for dyno sheets too, I would have had them from that L. from Friday but like I said the trans broke. It's going back to the dyno as soon as it's fixed. I don't like making claims that can't be backed up with proof either, so I'm eager for it.
There will be more printed info as soon as the install/ test artical is released in Ford Truck World mag.
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From: Sherman Oaks Ca
Originally posted by easterisland
What do you mean not a problem. Anytime the AC is on condensation will drip unless there is a modification to prevent it. Any real track won't let you drip on the track.
"responce" to what claim? I have nothing to prove here, but since you do why don't you post some evidence that this cooler you developed really works. Post some before and after time slips, dyno charts, autotap files, coma delimited files or something...
What do you mean not a problem. Anytime the AC is on condensation will drip unless there is a modification to prevent it. Any real track won't let you drip on the track.
"responce" to what claim? I have nothing to prove here, but since you do why don't you post some evidence that this cooler you developed really works. Post some before and after time slips, dyno charts, autotap files, coma delimited files or something...
Remember?
There will be real evidence, I too don't like to trust someones "word" That's Y I was asking if u had proof or were just "assuming"
When I went to the track I didn't think it was worth documenting at the time.
I can post pics of my temp gauge anytime. It reads IC coolant temp in & air temp into the TB.
1 of the other L owners that has my Chiller on it went to the dyno & got before pulls, & then ****ed around getting back for a after & then had his L stolen
. So all I'll get outa him is a testamonial, still waiting on that.Everyone also says their L runs smoother too.
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BigFan said, "Easter, thanks for the data. How long were you into the run when you saw those temps ? What Im getting at is if you were only WOT for let say 5 seconds, the temps would be higher on a 1/4 mile run."
I replied,"Those runs were just for a few seconds not 1/4th mile runs."
I replied,"Those runs were just for a few seconds not 1/4th mile runs."
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Dave, I think the problem here is you have not given us any of technical data. Myself,Easter and Tim have posted actual Data recordings from our trucks. We have given a list of our mods, conditions of our tests and so on. Since you say your temps were 90 degrees before and 100 degrees after a run, lemme give you results I saw at a track. On a 100 Degree day with high humidity I witnessed intercooler fluid temps of 117 degrees after a 1/4 mile run. While I dont know the actual start temp, I imagine it could nt have been much cooler than a 100 degrees since that was outside air temp. These temps are on a stock untouched intercooler system, with my truck pushing 14-16lbs boost (6lb Overdrive pulley) So your a/c cooler in this case lowered the water temp 7 degrees more than my stock system. 7 degrees in water temp wont translate to much if any more power.
Here is more technical information, Generally speaking every 10 degrees in intake temp is worth 1% more power. On my truck, I have data that shows with intake temps of 137 I made 404RWHP/512RWTQ. On next pass I had intake temps of 97 degrees max and made 419RWHP/537RWTQ. If you do the math that means my above 10 Degree=1% is very close, I should have made 420RWHP.
Here is more technical information, Generally speaking every 10 degrees in intake temp is worth 1% more power. On my truck, I have data that shows with intake temps of 137 I made 404RWHP/512RWTQ. On next pass I had intake temps of 97 degrees max and made 419RWHP/537RWTQ. If you do the math that means my above 10 Degree=1% is very close, I should have made 420RWHP.
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From: Sherman Oaks Ca
Originally posted by BigFan
Dave, I think the problem here is you have not given us any of technical data. Myself,Easter and Tim have posted actual Data recordings from our trucks. We have given a list of our mods, conditions of our tests and so on.
I agree, I addressed these issues in a previous post.
Since you say your temps were 90 degrees before and 100 degrees after a run
These #'s are on my S-10 which has a external IC. It's not like a L.
I said 1 L's IC EXIT coolant temp went from 110f to 68f, 42 degrees.
another's IAT was @ 50f after 3 dyno pulls where they are usually 160 to 180f
, lemme give you results I saw at a track. On a 100 Degree day with high humidity I witnessed intercooler fluid temps of 117 degrees after a 1/4 mile run. While I dont know the actual start temp, I imagine it could nt have been much cooler than a 100 degrees since that was outside air temp. These temps are on a stock untouched intercooler system, with my truck pushing 14-16lbs boost (6lb Overdrive pulley) So your a/c cooler in this case lowered the water temp 7 degrees more than my stock system. 7 degrees in water temp wont translate to much if any more power.
Here is more technical information, Generally speaking every 10 degrees in intake temp is worth 1% more power. On my truck, I have data that shows with intake temps of 137 I made 404RWHP/512RWTQ. On next pass I had intake temps of 97 degrees max and made 419RWHP/537RWTQ. If you do the math that means my above 10 Degree=1% is very close, I should have made 420RWHP.
Dave, I think the problem here is you have not given us any of technical data. Myself,Easter and Tim have posted actual Data recordings from our trucks. We have given a list of our mods, conditions of our tests and so on.
I agree, I addressed these issues in a previous post.
Since you say your temps were 90 degrees before and 100 degrees after a run
These #'s are on my S-10 which has a external IC. It's not like a L.
I said 1 L's IC EXIT coolant temp went from 110f to 68f, 42 degrees.
another's IAT was @ 50f after 3 dyno pulls where they are usually 160 to 180f
, lemme give you results I saw at a track. On a 100 Degree day with high humidity I witnessed intercooler fluid temps of 117 degrees after a 1/4 mile run. While I dont know the actual start temp, I imagine it could nt have been much cooler than a 100 degrees since that was outside air temp. These temps are on a stock untouched intercooler system, with my truck pushing 14-16lbs boost (6lb Overdrive pulley) So your a/c cooler in this case lowered the water temp 7 degrees more than my stock system. 7 degrees in water temp wont translate to much if any more power.
Here is more technical information, Generally speaking every 10 degrees in intake temp is worth 1% more power. On my truck, I have data that shows with intake temps of 137 I made 404RWHP/512RWTQ. On next pass I had intake temps of 97 degrees max and made 419RWHP/537RWTQ. If you do the math that means my above 10 Degree=1% is very close, I should have made 420RWHP.
Where can I see this proof ?
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Originally posted by syclondave
Where can I see this proof ?
Where can I see this proof ?
The Temps I recorded at the track can be varified by 3 other members of this board who were also racing. I would be more than happy to email you the dyno files of my truck. The temps I used on the dyno can be varified by another member of this board, the dyno operator or a member from another Mustang Board. The 10 degree=1% is a general number that Ive heard from many of the best Fast/Accel tuners, my numbers are proof enough for me that the general figure is close. If it means anything more I will be happy to post links where I have posted this information before. Tell me what proof you want, I have nothing to prove. I have just posted general info for members like Easter has done. You on the otherhand are trying to promote a product. Where is your proof ? Or are you just going by what you have been told ?
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Like I said, I'm waiting too, then we won't have this issue.
The 10 deg. = 1% rule is common knowledge
Your 117 figure info is what I'd like to see.
I don't need to promote anything, that is done by the product.
The 10 deg. = 1% rule is common knowledge
Your 117 figure info is what I'd like to see.
I don't need to promote anything, that is done by the product.
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Originally posted by syclondave
I don't need to promote anything, that is done by the product.
I don't need to promote anything, that is done by the product.
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Originally posted by syclondave
Like I said, I'm waiting too, then we won't have this issue.
The 10 deg. = 1% rule is common knowledge
Your 117 figure info is what I'd like to see.
I don't need to promote anything, that is done by the product.
Like I said, I'm waiting too, then we won't have this issue.
The 10 deg. = 1% rule is common knowledge
Your 117 figure info is what I'd like to see.
I don't need to promote anything, that is done by the product.
http://www.nloc.net/forum/showthread...threadid=51433
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...threadid=52659
Sweet35th and Retics4me can comfirms my posts, if you dont believe me. They are both active members on svtperformance.com
I disagree on you not needing to promote your product, the 10 posts youve made on this board do nothing but talk about your product. I will ask this, Do syclone's have a heat exchanger to remove heat out of water ? Ive seen 1 syclone and I recall it had a aluminium tank right ontop the intake, I can see where you guys would have hotter water than Lightnings.
DOH!!!! Its 5PM, Time to go home
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From: Sherman Oaks Ca
Originally posted by easterisland
Everyone knows the ice water powercoolers work and that one to two tenths can be cut off your 1/4th mile times with them. The only person I ever knew to have an ac cooler product is Chet(38topgun). I don't even think he claimed the huge temperature drops you are claiming. Since you say your product will prove itself let's all just wait and see if the fastest trucks use this...
Everyone knows the ice water powercoolers work and that one to two tenths can be cut off your 1/4th mile times with them. The only person I ever knew to have an ac cooler product is Chet(38topgun). I don't even think he claimed the huge temperature drops you are claiming. Since you say your product will prove itself let's all just wait and see if the fastest trucks use this...