I thought you guys might like to read about this…

http://www.msnbc.com/news/963677.asp?0bl=-0

Mr. Skelton you may enjoy the case law section here.

http://www.harristechnical.com/cdr.htm

The above link also provides a list of all vehicles equipped with EDRs.

 

That black box would be constantly on in my L......Id have to rip it out , smash it and put a couple of bullets in it......

 

quick, one of the tuners whip up a program to disable the black box

 

Insurance Companys just keep screwing us everywhichway and still get those big premiums! They are behind all the bullshot so, as to cut the big auto accident lawsuits.

 

Trust me, i do this kind of stuff on a daily basis and its VERY easy to defeat. A 4 Bank chip could easily defunk it... I know i can do it with 1 wire.

 

“It is a powerful tool that’s going to be used in criminal investigations in traffic homicide cases,” says Michael Horowitz, the prosecutor in that case.


“This is not something that’s 20 years off. This is very much a near-term thing.”

GM, for example, has used recorder data in legal battles and won.

The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration currently is considering a petition to require the enhanced EDR systems in all vehicles.

Fruck You, N.H.T.S.A.


The day they put one in EVERY new car
is the day I stop buying and owning new cars PERIOD.

 

I was told that Corvette's have a sensor for accidents. Reading impacts and such. I don't have any evidence that it is true, but this came from a GM engineer. If it is true that is great for a second buyer, you can determine whether or not she's been in an accident. Carfaxes are good for that too, but not everyone claims accidents.

I don't mind that type of monitoring, but this idea of constant invasion that is absolutely unacceptable.

D-Day

 

The corvette has the black box mentioned in the articles. The second article says that Ford included it in all 2000 year model ... light trucks. Does the L have it?

 

And then there are cases where their use is completely justified. I'm trying to find a case right now where a mid-40s driver of a WS-6 was traveling at a very high rate of speed in a 30MPH neighborhood. Two girls in a car were backing out of their driveway, were struck by the man, and were both killed instantly. The man claimed he was driving at 60MPH. Police did a writeup and said, conservatively, that he was traveling at 95MPH. They pulled the black box and found that he was traveling at, IIRC, 117MPH at the time of impact. It threw out his defense and excuses of "casual speeding", and showed that he was driving in a dangerous and reckless matter that otherwise would not have been able to come to light.

 

I'd wrather not be tracked of how fast I was going. even wehn people lose their lives. wheres life like farenheit 451 damnit!

 

Read these cases and you opinion of these things may change...

http://www.harristechnical.com/cdr5.htm

The EDR has been both damaging and a savior for some.

 

so who thinks they have what it takes to OVERLOAD one of these things first

 

someone whos been thru these trucks or works for ford needs to tell us what our 99-04's have in them. I'l lbe thte first to cut mine out.

 

I guess it only a matter of time before deputy dog has a roadside scanner, this way you can go through a PCM checkpoint, and they can give you tickets based on the data in your black box!

Hey , dont laugh, i promise you somebody is thinking about it! big brother!

 

Problem is that there is a thin line between being usefull as you posted and being used as another tool to spy on/control people. And all it takes is 1 person with a loud enough whine or power hungry politician to tip the scale to the later side.

If this black box is going to be used only as a tool to gain info prior to an accident, then I see it as a good thing. To many people lie to avoid consequences.