Forged and Cast crank pics
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From: Chatt. TN.
Well Try this on: All you 01 and 02 owners that still have the sales lit and on the SVT spec page it is stated that the rear rotors are 13 inch VENTED rotors, they are NOT vented also the 02 spec state that they have 4 channel ABS brakes insted of the 01's 3 channel system, again guess what 02's have 3 sensors NOT 4 check and see. Seems like cranks ain't all they are lying about ore was all that a MISPRINT!! LOL we been had.
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Originally posted by Fast Gator
Thanks for the picture TZRider. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
But let me quote from the bottom of the table of contents from my owners manual..........
"All rights reserved. Reproduction by any means, electronic or mechanical including photocopying, recording or by any information storage and retrieval system or translation in whole or part is nor permitted without written authorization from Ford Motor Company. Ford may change the contents without notice and without incurring obligation"
Thanks for the picture TZRider. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
But let me quote from the bottom of the table of contents from my owners manual..........
"All rights reserved. Reproduction by any means, electronic or mechanical including photocopying, recording or by any information storage and retrieval system or translation in whole or part is nor permitted without written authorization from Ford Motor Company. Ford may change the contents without notice and without incurring obligation"
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Originally posted by alphadoggy
Do they incur any obligation when they change components on the truck but DON'T change the specs in their promotional literature? Let's say, hypothetically, that Ford switched from forged cranks to cast cranks in 2000. When I bought my 2000 Lightning I thought it had a forged crank based on the information in the brochure. What was I supposed to do, tear down the motor and check to make sure? But lets suppose that Ford made this change after the brochure went to press. Are they responsible for the accuracy of the information therein? I could see it perhaps as an oversight, but don't you think they had time to revise the brochure by 2002? 2003? Or are they allowed to just say anything they feel like in order to induce people to buy their products?
Do they incur any obligation when they change components on the truck but DON'T change the specs in their promotional literature? Let's say, hypothetically, that Ford switched from forged cranks to cast cranks in 2000. When I bought my 2000 Lightning I thought it had a forged crank based on the information in the brochure. What was I supposed to do, tear down the motor and check to make sure? But lets suppose that Ford made this change after the brochure went to press. Are they responsible for the accuracy of the information therein? I could see it perhaps as an oversight, but don't you think they had time to revise the brochure by 2002? 2003? Or are they allowed to just say anything they feel like in order to induce people to buy their products?
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From: The People's Republic of Los Angeles
Originally posted by MaxTorque02
I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the brochure states that specs are subject to change without notification or something to that effect. It kind of gives them a blank check.
I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the brochure states that specs are subject to change without notification or something to that effect. It kind of gives them a blank check.
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From: Stinkin Joisey
Originally posted by Tim Skelton
I do not believe that it does. Contrary to popular belief, not all disclaimers are effective. And "specs" is a far cry from crankshafts. I mean, could they decide not to include the supercharger? Anyone reading that disclaimer would think that it refers to minor quibbles.
I do not believe that it does. Contrary to popular belief, not all disclaimers are effective. And "specs" is a far cry from crankshafts. I mean, could they decide not to include the supercharger? Anyone reading that disclaimer would think that it refers to minor quibbles.
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From: Ventura, CA, USA
Re: Forged and Cast crank pics
Originally posted by TZrider
Here is a pic of two cranks the one on the left being forged and the one on the right being cast. Notice the difference in the parting lines (the forged being much wider) We have taken apart numerous L and Hd powerplants and have found many of them to have the cast cranks, primarily th 02 L's and 02 03 HDs ( we have not dissassembled an 03L) It appears there is no rhyme or reason as to what crank is installed and this is not being found in just re-manned motors. This issue is not new and has been found multiple times by our local dealer as well.Finally I will say this, while at the dealer visiting a friend ( also the svt tech) we had a discussion with the field rep and were told ( I stress he said this was a rumor) that Ford, in an effort to control the failure rate of the rods was using cast cranks ( the cast units will flex) to "cushion" the bottom end some.
Paul
Here is a pic of two cranks the one on the left being forged and the one on the right being cast. Notice the difference in the parting lines (the forged being much wider) We have taken apart numerous L and Hd powerplants and have found many of them to have the cast cranks, primarily th 02 L's and 02 03 HDs ( we have not dissassembled an 03L) It appears there is no rhyme or reason as to what crank is installed and this is not being found in just re-manned motors. This issue is not new and has been found multiple times by our local dealer as well.Finally I will say this, while at the dealer visiting a friend ( also the svt tech) we had a discussion with the field rep and were told ( I stress he said this was a rumor) that Ford, in an effort to control the failure rate of the rods was using cast cranks ( the cast units will flex) to "cushion" the bottom end some.
Paul
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From: President HALO
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Originally posted by 1BADTK
Then click on the PDF button in upper left for a better discription, with no disclaimers, Vented rotors??? Forged Steel Crank??? It's all there still
Then click on the PDF button in upper left for a better discription, with no disclaimers, Vented rotors??? Forged Steel Crank??? It's all there still
Following publication of this catalog, certain changes in standard equipment, options, prices, and the like, or product delays, may have occurred which would not be included in these pages. Your Ford Dealer is the best source for up-to-date information. Ford Division reserves the right to change product specifications at any time without incurring obligation.
It might be difficult to find Ford liable, especially in the cast crank situation which has been proven to be more than adequate to withstand the power generated by a stock Lightning motor, especially considering that there have only been a few cases of a cast crank found in a Lightning engine. I wonder if all of these cast crank motors could have been replacement motors. I believe Sal had stated his was. Anybody who had a replacement motor and was considering it to build as a high horsepower motor should know what they have for internals before building. You can never assume anything in life.
