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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 02:16 PM
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Re: Sinter forged...

Originally posted by Coldie
I'm still guessing the cranks are Sinter forged. AKA powder forged...

Counts as forged, but much weaker than what you would think of as traditional forging.

Coldie
I doubt that Ford would go cheap on the crank... too much potential warantee work... Same reason Ford went with Manley rods in the Cobra... it is a very secure insurance policy... spend a few more up front on the performance part quality or risk getting sued for millions...

But just my 2 cents
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 02:22 PM
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Talking CRANK VERSES SPARK PLUG

REMINDS ME OF THE POST WHERE THE GUY BLEW THE SPARK PLUG OUT OF #2 HOLE WENT THRU THE HOOD AND KILLED THE FARMERS COW OUT IN THE FIELD
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 02:24 PM
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the cranks look very similar. One way to tell the difference is to stand them on end and tap them like you were tapping crystal. The Forged steel one will ping higher pitched and longer then the cast.

In addition, look in one of the holes drilled in the crank. The cast one has a small line, like less than the width of a pencil. The forged steel has a much wider line inside the hole.

If you go to Ford and tell them for example that you have a 99 L (that came with a forged steel crank) and ask for a crank to replace the one you have you will be given a cast crank.

I know that 99 and 00 L came with forged steel crank from the factory because I have seen enough of them. I assumed that 01-03 did as well. However now Im not so sure.

Steve
 

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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 02:28 PM
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Your right it's not worth printing it, we all know it says Forged.
And I'm not worried about it breaking either, "if it is cast",
But that "subject to change if I fell like it B/S "
everyone puts in SHOULD NOT allow false avertisement, and
"IF" 01's are cast, then Ford has no B/S reason for saying my 02 is Forged unless they did it on purpose to Fool us into THINKING it's Forged.

Is someone gonna now say they couldn't change that word from Forged to Cast in a full Year before printing it on my 02 Spec's.

Does anyone have 03 Spec's, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ?

I know it doesn't matter but if 01's are Cast and from then on 02's + 03's, maybe now 04's are too. Then Ford would have absolutely no excuss for writing Forged in 02 and later Spec's.
Tim can I get a Million on that fact you think Buddy
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Calightnin
In addition, look in one of the holes drilled in the crank. The cast one has a small line, like less than the width of a pencil. The forged steel has a much wider line inside the hole.

If you go to Ford and tell them for example that you have a 99 L (that came with a forged steel crank) and ask for a crank to replace the one you have you will be given a cast crank.

I know that 99 and 00 L came with forged steel crank from the factory because I have seen enough of them. I assumed that 01-03 did as well. However now Im not so sure.

Steve
I called Ford and the crank was $500 for my truck wholesale. Now is that the cast or forged?

The part #'s I took off of the cranks I have both cross reference to the forged part#.

I'll go out and see about the lines you are talking about...
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 03:10 PM
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I don't care if I don't ever make enough power to require a true forged crank.

The problem is when we bought our L's we were led to believe that the forged cranks were already there.

If I didn't get what I paid for, then I want some sort of compensation.

 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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that is the forged. I believe the forged was around $600 full retail. The cast is less than half that.

Steve
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 03:30 PM
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Hmmm Ford SUCKS, no doubt about it.

1. Remembe the 320hp Cobra that wasn't putting out anywhere near that.

2. Remember the Lighting Intercooler Problem

3. Now the Cast crank problem..

I hope someone from Ford reads this. Becuz i am NEVER buying another Ford Product. I'm going back to driving only Jeep SUV's after I sell the Lightning, (which I bought used)

But my 99 has a forged crank.

Yes Ford..... you suck!
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 03:48 PM
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Prove it...

I'd still like someone to prove that the crank is cast and not Sinter-Forged.

Since Sinter-Forging is often cheaper than cast, I'd assume that's the way they'd go and if that's the case, no one has any right to bitch about anything.

Coldie
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 03:59 PM
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Calightnin, If that is the case then I must have the forged crank in my stock 2001 block. I don't know what retail is. I'd pay $500 for it.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 04:25 PM
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Hrrmmm...

Here is some more literature from my 2002 Lightning brochure:

"The SVT Lightning's cast-iron block is inherently very rigid, thanks to deep skirts that extend below the centerline of its forged-steel crankshaft. Forging is done in America, employing the same advanced methods used to create the crankshaft for the SVT Mustang Cobra.

On top of the cylinder banks, aluminum-alloy heads contain chain-driven, single overhead camshafts that activate roller-finger followers with hydraulic lash adjustment. The SVT forged pistons are specially designed with dished tops to lower the compression ratio to 8:4:1. These rugged pistons withstand the added combustion pressure generated by supercharging."

Tim, tell me where to sign up for the class action suit! If nothing else, I'm glad to have ammo for Ford's assinine warranty hassling issues.....

Any confirmation on the cast pistons comment you guys made?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Adrenaline
I don't care if I don't ever make enough power to require a true forged crank.

The problem is when we bought our L's we were led to believe that the forged cranks were already there.

If I didn't get what I paid for, then I want some sort of compensation.
Bingo.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 04:31 PM
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IT APPEARS THE CRANK IN MY 2001 WAS FORGED STEEL. WHO DOESN'T HAVE A FORGED STEEL CRANK IN THEIR 2001 OR NEWER TRUCK?
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 04:45 PM
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Leonard, where does the part number appear on the crank? I still have the original motor from my 01 here, and I can check on it.
 
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Old Jul 18, 2003 | 04:53 PM
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It isn't a full part #. The parts counter guy referenced the # of of the crank and said the price was $500 which is too much for it to be a cast crank.
I'll take a picture a little later.
 
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