I am so pi$$ed at Ford- need help
Re: Sinter forged...
Originally posted by Coldie
I'm still guessing the cranks are Sinter forged. AKA powder forged...
Counts as forged, but much weaker than what you would think of as traditional forging.
Coldie
I'm still guessing the cranks are Sinter forged. AKA powder forged...
Counts as forged, but much weaker than what you would think of as traditional forging.
Coldie
But just my 2 cents
easterisland,
the cranks look very similar. One way to tell the difference is to stand them on end and tap them like you were tapping crystal. The Forged steel one will ping higher pitched and longer then the cast.
In addition, look in one of the holes drilled in the crank. The cast one has a small line, like less than the width of a pencil. The forged steel has a much wider line inside the hole.
If you go to Ford and tell them for example that you have a 99 L (that came with a forged steel crank) and ask for a crank to replace the one you have you will be given a cast crank.
I know that 99 and 00 L came with forged steel crank from the factory because I have seen enough of them. I assumed that 01-03 did as well. However now Im not so sure.
Steve
the cranks look very similar. One way to tell the difference is to stand them on end and tap them like you were tapping crystal. The Forged steel one will ping higher pitched and longer then the cast.
In addition, look in one of the holes drilled in the crank. The cast one has a small line, like less than the width of a pencil. The forged steel has a much wider line inside the hole.
If you go to Ford and tell them for example that you have a 99 L (that came with a forged steel crank) and ask for a crank to replace the one you have you will be given a cast crank.
I know that 99 and 00 L came with forged steel crank from the factory because I have seen enough of them. I assumed that 01-03 did as well. However now Im not so sure.
Steve
Last edited by Calightnin; Jul 18, 2003 at 02:34 PM.
Your right it's not worth printing it, we all know it says Forged.
And I'm not worried about it breaking either, "if it is cast",
But that "subject to change if I fell like it B/S "
everyone puts in SHOULD NOT allow false avertisement, and
"IF" 01's are cast, then Ford has no B/S reason for saying my 02 is Forged unless they did it on purpose to Fool us into THINKING it's Forged.
Is someone gonna now say they couldn't change that word from Forged to Cast in a full Year before printing it on my 02 Spec's.
Does anyone have 03 Spec's, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ?
I know it doesn't matter but if 01's are Cast and from then on 02's + 03's, maybe now 04's are too. Then Ford would have absolutely no excuss for writing Forged in 02 and later Spec's.
Tim can I get a Million on that fact you think Buddy
And I'm not worried about it breaking either, "if it is cast",
But that "subject to change if I fell like it B/S "
everyone puts in SHOULD NOT allow false avertisement, and
"IF" 01's are cast, then Ford has no B/S reason for saying my 02 is Forged unless they did it on purpose to Fool us into THINKING it's Forged.
Is someone gonna now say they couldn't change that word from Forged to Cast in a full Year before printing it on my 02 Spec's.
Does anyone have 03 Spec's, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ?
I know it doesn't matter but if 01's are Cast and from then on 02's + 03's, maybe now 04's are too. Then Ford would have absolutely no excuss for writing Forged in 02 and later Spec's.
Tim can I get a Million on that fact you think Buddy
Originally posted by Calightnin
In addition, look in one of the holes drilled in the crank. The cast one has a small line, like less than the width of a pencil. The forged steel has a much wider line inside the hole.
If you go to Ford and tell them for example that you have a 99 L (that came with a forged steel crank) and ask for a crank to replace the one you have you will be given a cast crank.
I know that 99 and 00 L came with forged steel crank from the factory because I have seen enough of them. I assumed that 01-03 did as well. However now Im not so sure.
Steve
In addition, look in one of the holes drilled in the crank. The cast one has a small line, like less than the width of a pencil. The forged steel has a much wider line inside the hole.
If you go to Ford and tell them for example that you have a 99 L (that came with a forged steel crank) and ask for a crank to replace the one you have you will be given a cast crank.
I know that 99 and 00 L came with forged steel crank from the factory because I have seen enough of them. I assumed that 01-03 did as well. However now Im not so sure.
Steve
The part #'s I took off of the cranks I have both cross reference to the forged part#.
I'll go out and see about the lines you are talking about...
I don't care if I don't ever make enough power to require a true forged crank.
The problem is when we bought our L's we were led to believe that the forged cranks were already there.
If I didn't get what I paid for, then I want some sort of compensation.
The problem is when we bought our L's we were led to believe that the forged cranks were already there.
If I didn't get what I paid for, then I want some sort of compensation.
Hmmm Ford SUCKS, no doubt about it.
1. Remembe the 320hp Cobra that wasn't putting out anywhere near that.
2. Remember the Lighting Intercooler Problem
3. Now the Cast crank problem..
I hope someone from Ford reads this. Becuz i am NEVER buying another Ford Product. I'm going back to driving only Jeep SUV's after I sell the Lightning, (which I bought used)
But my 99 has a forged crank.
Yes Ford..... you suck!
1. Remembe the 320hp Cobra that wasn't putting out anywhere near that.
2. Remember the Lighting Intercooler Problem
3. Now the Cast crank problem..
I hope someone from Ford reads this. Becuz i am NEVER buying another Ford Product. I'm going back to driving only Jeep SUV's after I sell the Lightning, (which I bought used)
But my 99 has a forged crank.
Yes Ford..... you suck!
Prove it...
I'd still like someone to prove that the crank is cast and not Sinter-Forged.
Since Sinter-Forging is often cheaper than cast, I'd assume that's the way they'd go and if that's the case, no one has any right to bitch about anything.
Coldie
Since Sinter-Forging is often cheaper than cast, I'd assume that's the way they'd go and if that's the case, no one has any right to bitch about anything.
Coldie
Hrrmmm...
Here is some more literature from my 2002 Lightning brochure:
"The SVT Lightning's cast-iron block is inherently very rigid, thanks to deep skirts that extend below the centerline of its forged-steel crankshaft. Forging is done in America, employing the same advanced methods used to create the crankshaft for the SVT Mustang Cobra.
On top of the cylinder banks, aluminum-alloy heads contain chain-driven, single overhead camshafts that activate roller-finger followers with hydraulic lash adjustment. The SVT forged pistons are specially designed with dished tops to lower the compression ratio to 8:4:1. These rugged pistons withstand the added combustion pressure generated by supercharging."
Tim, tell me where to sign up for the class action suit! If nothing else, I'm glad to have ammo for Ford's assinine warranty hassling issues.....
Any confirmation on the cast pistons comment you guys made?
Here is some more literature from my 2002 Lightning brochure:
"The SVT Lightning's cast-iron block is inherently very rigid, thanks to deep skirts that extend below the centerline of its forged-steel crankshaft. Forging is done in America, employing the same advanced methods used to create the crankshaft for the SVT Mustang Cobra.
On top of the cylinder banks, aluminum-alloy heads contain chain-driven, single overhead camshafts that activate roller-finger followers with hydraulic lash adjustment. The SVT forged pistons are specially designed with dished tops to lower the compression ratio to 8:4:1. These rugged pistons withstand the added combustion pressure generated by supercharging."
Tim, tell me where to sign up for the class action suit! If nothing else, I'm glad to have ammo for Ford's assinine warranty hassling issues.....
Any confirmation on the cast pistons comment you guys made?
Originally posted by Adrenaline
I don't care if I don't ever make enough power to require a true forged crank.
The problem is when we bought our L's we were led to believe that the forged cranks were already there.
If I didn't get what I paid for, then I want some sort of compensation.
I don't care if I don't ever make enough power to require a true forged crank.
The problem is when we bought our L's we were led to believe that the forged cranks were already there.
If I didn't get what I paid for, then I want some sort of compensation.


