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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 07:34 PM
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M3 vs 02 HD

Well I'm putting my flame suite on now.
Yes I know I shoudln't be doing this on the streets but I was challenged

As I was heading home after I picked up some drive thru lunch. I was stopped at a light and a BMW with what looks like 2 kids at the back and probably the dad driving and the mom at the front passenger side pulled up on my left side. He was revving the motor and I could hear it even though I was blasting my radio with the windows up. The mom looked over to me as the light turned green, and he stomped on it. I only realized it was a M3 since I got a good look at its rear end. I was caught off guard and didn't try to catch up, but the next light was red.

The road is slightly uphill and tops a hill and goes down on a bend. I pulled up next to them and the kids were looking at me and laughing, yes laughing. That's it I put my BigMac down and power braked to about 1,200 rpm. Green. He had me until about 45 mph and then the whining just got louder and I was a nose ahead of him until about what I felt like 1/4 mile. Felt really good. And saw the mom looking over me and pointing at the truck, knowing they were behind me by a nose length. Priceless.
I chickened out and shut down since I knew the road well and there was a bend coming up. Score: 02 HD - 1 / M3- 0.

But on next light, the road is flat and straight. And when we took off, it wasn't pretty. I was a full truck length behind. Couldn't keep up until, I won't say what speed. Score: M3 - 1 / 02 HD -1

Had to turn to my apt complex that's when I realized and smelled my brakes where really inadequate in stopping me fast. They stopped me, but I wish they had more bite.

I'm bone stock and and just looked at BMW's site for the M3, 4.8 seconds on the 0-60, price tag of $46K+. I think the truck did very well on the uphill climb compared to the M3, but I was handed my butt on the flat road.

Are these newer M3s really that fast? Considering it was loaded with passengers and all? I'm not implying or suggesting that my bone stock truck is faster than an M3, I know it's not.

Can't wait for year-end bonuses, pulley, chip and exhaust coming.
 
Old Oct 6, 2002 | 08:03 PM
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It seems that the people that know about these trucks, know how quick they are or a 2 1/2 ton vehicle. The people that don't know anything about these trucks find it comical that a truck is supercharged.

For instance, about a month after I get my truck I'm cruising around after work just enjoying my ride. I pull up to a light and there's an Excursion on my left. The woman in the passenger's seat look over, spots the 20-inch rims and laughs. She motions to the driver, who leans over and gives a giggle. The two of them then give the truck a once over and dismiss it. Fools.

Light turns green and I give it the gas. Don't know if he didn't expect me to go that fast or what, but he certainly didn't keep up. Next light up he pulls up next to me again, this time on the other side as I lane changed to take a look at the driver. I see him giving me the "race-eye" light turns green and he floors it. I'm about 1/4 throttle just keeping up with him letting him think he might have me. I look over and he's all proud. I shake my head and floor it easily building a 3 or 4 truck lead as the Excursion whines in the distance. Next red light he weaves over two lanes to turn off without giving me a second look.

I expect this from ricers and beaterz, but didn't expect it from a fellow Ford owner!

Another quick anecdote. About a week after I got my truck there was a Ford Ranger that kept trying to pace me. I wasn't driving the truck too hard as I was keeping it light on the throttle for the first 1000 miles. I was headed to the movie theater and had to get over so at the light I floored it to 4000RPM and got over. He passed me and waved, obviously just wanting to see what the truck could do. Too bad for him it wasn't broken in yet! I would have given him a show.

I did this once back in 1991 in my 1979 Toyota 4x4 (with all of 90HP). I pulled up to a brand new Cyclone and revved my engine at the red. He laughed and took off, but I needed to see how fast it could go!
 
Old Oct 6, 2002 | 08:14 PM
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nice kill stories!
 
Old Oct 6, 2002 | 08:45 PM
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Old Oct 6, 2002 | 08:46 PM
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Another thing to remember is that the M3 coupe is only 3415lbs. Considering you pushed a 2 1/2 ton truck and pretty much kept up with him unmodified should put a grin on your face and a smirk on his.

I drove a friends 2001 Porsche Boxster the other day and those things are pretty quick, though I didn't enjoy the ride. Too cramped, ignitions on the opposite side and you really don't feel the power in the vehicle.

A guy I used to work with had an M3, (forget which year). He wanted to race my buddy with his 99 Mustang GT, but my friend wouldn't budge. The M3 owner never asked my other friend with the 98 Cobra.

Stupid ricer wanted to race him and got dusted. Those who can, didn't and those who can't did. Go figure!
 
Old Oct 7, 2002 | 04:59 PM
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Good kill!
 
Old Oct 8, 2002 | 01:42 AM
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I've only had one kill so far in the truck, we were on the freeway behind My future father in law ( He has a 2001 996 Turbo) and an s2000 pulls along side of us, and I look over and they punch it, we were doing about 75, and then I punched it and it was dead even until about 90 and then we started to pull like mad, had about 1 full truck length on them when i shut down at 120.



I was really happy at that point, cant wait until the performance mods start coming in

-Ryan
 
Old Oct 8, 2002 | 06:03 AM
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MY KILLS SO FAR
Cadillax ext
Chev Corvette (close one)
Mustang gt's (a couple of those)
My brothers GMC Denalli 2002
My brother -in-laws boxster
Some new nissan suv (said supercharged v-6 on side)


BEEN KILLED BY:
My friends viper (i had no chance)
Some old datsun 240z (wtf?) (embarrasing)
 
Old Oct 8, 2002 | 11:48 AM
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FYI, here are the spec's on a M3 out of Motor Trend this month 333hp and 13.35/106mph in the 1/4 mile
 
Old Oct 8, 2002 | 02:33 PM
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I'm was really grinning when I saw them about a nose behind me.
Very happy with the truck, and I know it can be better.

It's still amazes me beyond belief that I could put some plain bolt-on mods and be at par, maybe better, with these so called "Ultimate Driving Machines".

And to see their drivers shrink in disbelief when they've been had.
Makes me feel good!
 
Old Oct 8, 2002 | 09:14 PM
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You guys crack me up! It's funny to see you compare yourself to Bimmers and Mercs. Check their boards to see whom they compare themselves. The "ultimate driving machine" is not based/measured off straight line speed alone. It is a measure of the entire capabilities of the car - safety, technology, performance, handling, and efficiency. The HD ONLY has performance, which pushed to the limit sacrifices any efficiency it may have had. A Porsche 911TT will blow away an M5, but sacrifices ride quality in the process.

Keep in mind, the M3 is ONLY a V6 (naturally aspirated at that). That compensates for the HD heft excuse. 90% of the new M3's are manual trannies (the other 10% SMG paddle shifter). In an auto, you push the gas to the floor and go. Where's the skill in that? Try the clutch, gas, and lever game in a fair matchup. It takes a lot of driving skill to properly hook up an M3 (even with the SMG option) or M5, skill that most people that can afford the cars lack.

Try almost any German car in the twisties - the Bimmer does not roll or twist. It takes some effort to break the tail lose. It "glides" around the curves with no tire howl. I raced them both on the 2-lane portion of the HWY76 to I-15 (fairly twisty road; timed lap). The BMW averaged 92MPH, while the HD about 73MPH (R=D/T), with mad tire screeching and occasional light fish-tailing. Got to the I-15 several minutes ahead of the HD. Cruising at 70MPH, you can hardly hear the car run, not to mention 31MPG. Oh how he and his $60K car (with miniscule deprieciation) must feel. Kinda like getting whipped by a super-tuned beater/ricer in the HD. Oh how I envy that ricer.

You pay for your low end torque with your 10-12MPG. How safe do you feel at 150MPH in the HD, with the wind noise, body floating all over the road, and F-150 safety results in the crash tests? If you're going dollar-for-dollar, then why not get a $2000 Civic and tune it for about $10,000. Will outrun the HD at 1/3 the cost. I don't mean to p!ss on your guys' parade, but I have both and there is NO comparison.

BTW, Porsche puts the start button on the left in the spirit of Le Mans. Try starting the car, hauling a$$ and shifting all at the same time. With the starter on the left, that frees up your right to shift gears. Every millisecond counts, unless you're driving an automatic.
 
Old Oct 8, 2002 | 10:16 PM
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I enjoy this truck because it is a truck. I also enjoy driving along and surprising someone who laughs at a supercharged truck sitting on 20-inch rims.

I have no serious interest in racing this truck other than the occassional light to light. I know a lot of people on here are racing at the track and what not.

The fact is, no matter how fast a HD can go, it's still a truck and there shouldn't be any comparison to a car. There will always be a major difference in handling/safety etc. Apples and oranges, my friends.

Like you said, there's no way a HD would keep up on curvy roads with a car that's built to handle such roads.

I believe most people here enjoy sharing their stories with their race stories, I know I certainly enjoy reading them and sharing my own.

As far as buying a $2000 Honda and spending $10000 fixing it up, I think is silly. That's the kind of stuff I see EVERY DAY and have a good chuckle at. Done right, maybe, but I've yet to see the daily Ricer that is.

I bought this truck because it has style built-in, the performance factor and the fact that it's a truck that I can haul or tow with.
 
Old Oct 8, 2002 | 10:18 PM
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Very well explained. I definitely agree with you with regards to the "overall" judging of a vehicle. I know I was not comparing apples and apples, and that was not my intention.

I also very well agree with your point on driver skill on handling the manual transmission, believe me I know because I drove for Mitsubishi for 2 seasons driving the Lancer Evolution III. My team served as a secondary team for Tommi Makkinen. My intention was to share my experience of running with the M3, because in my area over here their drivers tend to believe their Mario Andretti and they're not. Just can't resist trying to spank them
 

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Old Oct 9, 2002 | 12:17 AM
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I wasn't ******* anybody. There were just a few comments that were too far-fetched. I try not to fool with those wannabe Andrettis. The last thing you need is some non-experienced punk with little driving skill to wipe out in the process. You either stay to avoid leaving the scene and get caught for racing, or take off and risk it. Try popping a tire and slamming into the M3... have enough insurance to cover the $50-70K plus your own?

We bought the HD because we like to keep at least one American vehicle in the garage, it is a sharp "stock" truck, and every house should have at least one pickup for hauling/towing.

Originally posted by chesterc

I also very well agree with your point on driver skill on handling the manual transmission, believe me I know because I drove for Mitsubishi for 2 seasons driving the Lancer Evolution III. My team served as a secondary team for Tommi Makkinen.
WRC is the shiznit! IMO, it is the true test of driver and machine. Not as boring as N-car and F1.
 
Old Oct 9, 2002 | 02:10 PM
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The BMW is an inline 6 cylinder.
 



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