For what its worth, as SVT vehicle can be serviced at any Ford dealer. I think the ability to be SVT certified depends on a level of service which includes customer service and ford/automotive mechanical knowledge rather than SVT specific mechanical knowledge. Mechanically an engine is still and engine regardless of if it says SVT on it. Parts on the other hand might be unique to SVT but anyone can order parts. I would not worry about non-SVT certified dealers selling HD as an indication that we have a regular f150 engine internals.

 

Nobody wants to jump to conclusions. Thats why we want facts. Facts from official source. That's all.

ZoranC

 

What exactly makes an SVT car if engine does not?

And why one dealer whose quality is not good enough for Ford to let them sell Ls can have good enough quality to deal with HDs that "just" have same supercharged engine? I would assume they should not be good enough in either case.

In any case, as I said before, these are nothing but opinions and none of us is dealing with facts. Only Ford can answer this with facts. So far they are quiet. I wish they would be less quiet.

ZoranC

 

SVT stands for Special Vehicle Team. This team takes normal Ford cars and add design elements to the whole car, i.e. engine, suspension, interior, looks, etc to get a complete package and then they put the SVT label on it. The HD as far as I know was not a SVT team design. Of course I'm 100% sure they got involve due to the several parts used from the SVT designs. But for some reason they did not put the SVT label in it. Maybe because it's real deal was with Harley Davidson and that was the main marketing focus from Ford and they wanted to sell it in all dealers. As mentioned before SVT dealers must meet a qualification criteria in terms of sales volume, quality and good customer feedback. Many of the SVT cars bring more revenues (higher sticker prices and markups) and due to limited production they focus their car distribution on that. Why the didn't do it for the HD? I don't know. Should it deserve that treatment? I say yes but we are not Ford distrinution/marketing

 

I am glad we agree that HD, although it doesn't carry SVT label, is in a way an SVT vehicle based on all criteria (inclusion of supercharged engine, design elements, involvement of SVT/Roush team, lowered suspension, looks, higher sticker price, markup, etc).

In any case, you are right, that doesn't say anything about are internals same or not, and that is our subject of interest.

ZoranC

 

another observation.... EVERY SINGLE part under the hood of the HD looks IDENTICAL to the L with the exception of the HD/L logos on the airbox... every little piece, part, connector, etc...

that leads me to believe... it's the same as an L...

Ken

 

I have never looked under hood of standard F150. How similar is its block to L's block? Gut feeling tells me that they are probably very similar in outside appearance but it is their "soul" that distinguishes them. Check of outside appearance says nothing about specs, dimensions, materials used, manufacturing processes, etc. Finding similar looks is just a beginning of a job and we should not jump to belief that it is finished until it is really finished.

Thanks!

ZoranC

 

Zoran

what bar...gay bar? i looked at your supporting link and nothin came close to the truth... only oppinions. sorta like the dual o2 sensor subject that has driven many to drive chevy's.

 

Do you know what truth is? Do you have answer to question that was asked that nobody knows answer on? Do you have anything constructive to say at all? I thought so.

ZoranC

 

My 02HD replaced an 01 supercrew 5.4. There is very little in common between those two engine compartments...

what I was driving at is that everytying, COP wires, vent tubes, boost bypass, maf, temp sensor, plenum, boost actuator, pcv vent, manifolds, etc. etc. etc. are all identically marked and identically placed. That would mean that everything outside of the engine block is exactly the same. Why would ford go to all the trouble to duplicate everything on the L motor in it's entirety, but then change out the rods-n-pistons, heads, and a few other internals. They would have to have done some level of R&D before launching this frankenstein of a motor otherwise every other one would be blown. It would be easier and cheaper to just use a detuned L... no r&d needed. It's already done.

I'd still love to see it in writing, though... I don't seem to be able to get those results, though.

Ken

 

ken800,

I hear where you are coming from. Your logic is, well, logical. That's the conclusion I would tend to incline to myself too. However, logic also tells me clean cut situation should result in easy and clean cut response from Ford. So far that has not happened and that is where we came to next logical question: Why?

>> I'd still love to see it in writing, though...

Me too, so I can move on, I have much more important things to do. However, everything so far indicates Ford will not voluntarily answer. I will try to set up petitioned letter to Ford on this matter. In the meantime we should start doing deeper homework on our own. We need to get in touch with tuners and owners that had these engines ripped open and see what they say. Do you have anybody you can contact?

ZoranC

 

Guys, just drive the dang trucks! Entirely too much worrying going on!

 

That's it, I'm putting a Silverado SS on order today....




















JUST KIDDING!

 

locked per authors request..

come on guys, play nice..


isn't there someone that posts on here that builds the harley truck? maybe he can go look at the crate engines & see for sure...