Yes i say lets bomb Iraq and so on becaue if we don't do it now we will pay for it latter by more attacks on our country.

 

Okay all. I'll try to get back on topic. I'm interested in what the non-attackers say of this idea, and see if I can't even get some Canadians to jump on board.

Would any of you agree with this scenario:

Being part of the cease-fire agreement, UN Weapons Inspectors go to Iraq. The Inspectors inform them that they ARE coming in, they ARE looking into whatever building they want to (per the agreement). If so much as a shot is fired at the inspectors, we then deal with that situation (i.e. war breaks out).

I personally would be much more comfortable with putting the onus on him rather than us proactively going after his head. Anyone else agree with me?

 

Sending the inspectors would be a waste of time as it would be like before they would move there stuff before we inspect it and move it back after we done so.

 

cpadpl:

Maybe, so long as we park a nuke down the road so Saddam can see it and someone there to light the candle as they see the gun smoke.

I think it would be fun to have a huge nation wide tailgate party knowing when the nuke here in the USA will be lite and sent on its way. Maybe we call could do the countdown????

STX/98

quote:

"I think those that blame every problem we've ever had on the Liberals are just completely ignorant"

Thats a stupid *** statement. Sure LIBERALS are to blame for most of the problems we have. These are druged out dead brain cell people who for some stupid *** reason believe everything should be equal, everything should be fair.

That is not the real world my friend, nothing should be equal. I mean if I bust my *** working for my money, then just because the other guy is a lazy bastard who wants to drink and not support his kid I should not have to share my money with him, he should be homeless, that is really being fair, dont you think?

If my kid is in a school that wants to treat all kids equal, in other words my daughter gets an A and another kid gets an F so the teacher gives them both C's well thats not fair is it? To be fair I should be able to put my smart daughter in private school with my money, and not pay any taxes for the public school, that is fair isnt it? Damn stright it is.

See the Liberals don't see it my way, since my brain cells are intact I see clearly. Liberals believe if I make say $100,000 a year and say you make $50,000 a year they want to give you $25,000 of my money so we are "equal"

Liberals also do not want to blame anybody for anything. So when someone kills another its not that persons fault its something or someone else. Liberals can't seem to say simple words such as "your wrong" "you did bad" "you are hopeless" etc. In other words Liberals have NO IDEA what PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" means. To them feelings count, actions don't.

So yes LIBERALS are to blame for most of the problems. See I gave you some facts do debate that and not "feelings" because feelings dont count in real life only facts and action.

 

XLT,

I love reading your posts. I go to all the trouble to sugar coat my stuff and you storm into it right out of the box. You're the kind of guy that everyone likes having at the bar with them because you will say anything to anyone....

 

Sorry to butt in, and sorry to throw my opinions out here, because I rarely do, but I feel strongly about this. Today is 9/11, and something happened a year ago that makes it clear why we have to use force against Iraq. They aren't letting our weapons inspectors in the country, and we have to get those inspectors in there, because what if the next terrorist attack on ANY country is with a nuclear warhead? What then? There are rules set for Iraq after the Gulf War, and they had dang well better follow them, or they're going to get blown up. It's that simple. If it means invading Iraq and taking their entire country by storm, so be it, as long as it may help to prevent more terrorist acts in the future, because NOBODY deserves to be at risk to these terrorist cowards, no matter what country they are from, and as long as we have the impression that Iraq is developing weapons that could be used in this way against other countries, we HAVE to stop it, otherwise, there was no point to the first Gulf War. One fact that contributed to last years attacks on the U.S. was the fact that during the Gulf War, the United States had troops stationed somewhere in the world that the Taliban considers 'Holy Ground', and the terrorist attacks were kind of their 'payback' to the United States for just being on their 'Holy Land', so imagine what Iraq would do if they got a chance. We can't let that happen. Saddam Hussein should have taken out of power 12 years ago, and we shouldn't even have to be worrying about Iraq right now, but this is the case, and we must do whatever we have to do to make sure that he can't get any leverage on the rest of the world to commit terrorist attacks, and if the inspectors can't do their jobs, then something has to give, because where I'm from, that implies to me that he's up to something. Just my 2 cents' worth, fellas. God Bless America, and every single person who was hurt in any way on 9/11/2001.

 

cpadpl:

Thanks

Liberals hate me. They get all flustered when they try to debate some of there druged out ideas. Sometimes they get so upset they start sheading tears. Then they look at me as to ask "can I have a tissue" before the words come out of their mouth I tell them "go get your own damn tissue with the money I gave you from my last paycheck"

 

I never even stated that I DO disagree with Reagan's economic policies. (Although I'll admit I certainly don't think he's the the great savior of our economy you seem to think he was.) I stated that in my opinion its foolish to give 100% of the credit to Reagan's economic philosophy for what economic success we HAVE had in the last 20 years since Reagan's economic polices were first put in place. To sit here and act like no other factors contributed to the strength of the economy while or after Reagan was in office, and furthermore that none of the economic policies in place since 1992 contributed to the growth of our economy over the last ten years is just, well... foolish... If this is indeed your position as 'superior school of economic thought' as you might have and as 'educated and verbose' in Keynesian economic policy as you may be I think your equally narrow minded...

 

dead brain cell people? lol what?



What? Get C's? What school do they both get C's at? lol let's not get into education, we're having enough fun with the economy.

That's communist, not liberalist!

In all honesty it seems like your making your 'facts' up as you go... Half the examples your citing don't even make sense, the other half are completely out of context with anything at all even remotely related to what were talking about. We'll have to agree to disagree. I'd definately agree you'd be fun to have a beer with though....

 

STX/98:

NO, my friend I am not making it up. I mean come on Liberals do have some wacked out ideas. Dead brain cells = to many drugs or what ever screws their brains up.

Yes there are schools, sponsered by good ol' "lets be equal" liberals that do NOT want to actually grade kids. There reason because if little Billy gets an F and feels like a moron (as he should since he is) they "liberals" don't think its right for little Billy to feel that way. Little Billy would only feel like the moron he is when other kids get A's or B's. Liberals = dumbing down America.

My example on the $100,000 and $50,000 is not communist it is what liberals have been doing for a long time. See in a communist country you don't necessarily get to chose where you work, and you sure in the hell can't ask or tell them what you expect for pay.
Liberals = socialist (means if you own the cow they own the milk) in communist (they own the cow and the milk, but you do the milking)

If you want to debate that is great , but first get the basics down, the facts correct and don't forget your tissue to wipe the tears away when and "IF" you relize "damn you mean what i read and see on TV is not the truth" Looks like the liberals have completed the brain washing. Good luck but do know there are people out here like me that can give you hope, to show you the light, to point you in the right direction.

Liberals = self interest, no interest for kids, the elder, the weak etc, only in self interest and power.

CASE CLOSED, NEXT CASE...

 

XLT,

I don't want to just sit here an start insulting you, I'm sure in all honesty your a pretty good guy. Let me just say preach your own prayers... I promise you don't come across as having the 'basics down' quite as well as you might think. We pretty much got to the same point the last time I got a little too much time one day and ventured off into the "General Discussion" forum on the "I pledge allegiance" thread... I would basically agree with you on most of the extreme liberal positions you've thrown out as you couldn't possibly come up with a more rediculously extreme example. But extremist on the right side are as much of the problem as the extreme liberals you make fun of. While the liberals are busy giving everything away it seems the extreme conservatives are just as busy working on taking everything away. (Look at how many civil liberties and individual rights have been snatched away forever in the last year alone.) Of the two I'd say liberals atleast scare me a lot less. Atleast there busy hugging trees while the hard core conservatives are trying to find a way to condemn the tree and have the tree huggers put in prison. Quite honestly I think it's the extremists on either side (left, right, muslim, christian, whatever) that make this world a scary place to live in. And when you blame EVERYTHING on ANYONE... well... you might be an extremist... inwhich case you might have a whole lot more in common with Saddam than you thought!

 

You forgot banning dodgeball and tag... oh wait thats california, well close enough to liberals


Pickup Man - you make a very valid and good point with that, but you do realize that if we do attack Iraq there will be more terrorist attacks on the U; retaliation, more sins committed against them, whatever you want to call it.

The way I see it the US is in a no win situation.

Iraq broke the agreement, so if we:
a) enforce it we set ourselves up for more terrosts attacks in retaliation, and if other countries don't support us we look like a big bully
b) back out we risk nuclear terrorist attacks, and look like a big *******

 

I think the theory is great, but with any warning the weapons would be far spread very quickly. I sure wouldn't want to be the inspectors!

Really the entire situation should have been handled in '97 and '98 when the problems began. Had the scumbag of a former president put his foot down we wouldn't be in this situation. Of course if the same scumbag would have done something to stop terrorist attacks then most likely the trade center attacks would not have happened either IMO.

For the record I am not pro war. Any time we send anybody into harms way I feel we must have a just cause to do so. I got out of the Corps in Jan of 90 and my last duty station was 1st SRI Group. The grunt and recon forces of 1st Marines became Task Force Ripper during Dessert Storm. Though I had worked with and had personal ties to these people I felt the cause was justified.

As the current situation stands today, I feel that military men will be put in harms way once again due to the failings of the former administration. In the interest of not offending anyone, or simply not having any backbone they backed down when the weapons inspectors were not allowed to do their jobs. They completely folded when the inspectors were kicked out of the country. Unless Bush can somehow pull a rabbit out of a hat, lives will be lost ensuring Iraq does not posses nuclear capability. I don't know how others feel about this, but IMO sending people into harms way over political screw ups is something that shouldn't ever have to take place.

 

I have to agree with STX. I've never heard so much redneck logic in my entire life!

 

STX/98:

Your last post was not to bad. I give you credit. Oh and DAMN if we don't agree on something once again. Yes you are right extremists on any side right or left are just plain bad news. I am conseritive republician, but not "far" right between the middle and right I would say. So we do agree that any extremist be it the tree hugger or someone taking away rights is scary.

My question for this post is related to this statement:

"And when you blame EVERYTHING on ANYONE... well... you might be an extremist... inwhich case you might have a whole lot more in common with Saddam than you thought!"

Who is blaming EVERYTHING on ANYONE? I am for sure not. I did however say "Most" problems are due to liberals and thats just a fact. It is because of their mind set, thought process of everything should be fair and equal, that no one should be accountable for their actions that cause "most" problems we face today.

As far as Chris316 and his stupid *** statement of:

"I've never heard so much redneck logic in my entire life!"

Not sure who that is directed at. I have not read any redneck logic in this forum be it mine or anyone elses. So either you been breathing to much saw dust, corn dust or what ever it is you've been busy farming to understand what we non-redneck people have been talking about. So you go on and smoke your corn-cob pipe, watch the tumble-weeds roll by while us adults continue our talks. Heated at times maybe be at least we are debating and not acting or posting hick *** statements such as yours. You'all have a good day now ya hear....