F150 Diesel
 

I guess by now most of you have read about the coming F150 3.0 Diesel. It makes 250hp and 440 lbs torque. Fuel mileage is 30 mpgs. It's also a $4000.00 premium to a 2.7EB engine. Obviously it will never pay for itself at that kind of a premium. At $2400.00 premium to the 3.5 EB engine, it's about a break even considering fuel prices today. My personal self, if I was pulling a trailer a lot, the EB would be my choice. Simple maintenance and driver friendly. I think Ford missed the mark just like Ram did. To buy one will be for the novelty factor. Ram sales figures are down and the expected 20% of buyers for the diesel option has not developed since the introduction.
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2018/01/...ze-pickup.html

I saw that this morning too.

Just like you said... it's a niche product. Just like manual transmissions in pickups.

When I'm ready, I'm just going all out on a F-Superduty of some sort with the PSD. This way towing most anything will become a reality.

I really don't give a hoot about fuel mileage, cause if I can afford a SD, then I can afford it's terrible fuel mileage.

Definitely not interested in a F150 diesel.

It might be just me, but I completely fail to understand the economics of a diesel in an F-150. There's simply no way that the option even comes close to paying for itself in less than 100,000 miles.

the guys i know with the dodge diesel get about 2 mpg better than my 3.5 eco.

i would rather see a hybrid option over a diesel.

for years i have heard so much bs about diesels. everyone knows a guy that knows a guy that with a tune that runs 11's and get 35 mpg. of coarse i am sure alot of guys have convinced the wife that diesels will save so much on mpg and they last longer.

to me the only reason i buy a diesel is a 3/4 or 1 ton that I tow with often, then and only then does it make sense to me. i better be pulling a minimum of once a month. At that it is more for the power than the mpg.

I'll pass on it. It might pay for itself eventually but with diesel still priced higher than 87 that will take a whole lot of miles. By the time it's broken even the truck will be on its last leg. In a SD the Powerstroke is expensive but you get a lot of power for the money. In the 150 you get less power than the 3.5 EB which costs nearly $3k less. No thanks, I don't make enough to be that stupid with money.

Diesel here is more expensive than full 91 premium right now.

Leave the F150 alone. It has great engine choices as it stands. They need to concentrate on the Ranger.. Put that diesel in the Ranger along with the 2.7 EB with maybe a 3.3 base engine option?? GM looks to be doing pretty well with their Duramax Canyon and Colorado.

I'm guessing the Ranger will have a standard 4 banger when it gets here - probably an Ecoboost.

Not to mention they're locking the diesel option to top trim trucks..... Not everyone wants all the frills of a Lariat, KR, or Platinum


I wonder of they're limiting it based on a limited supply of engines on hand, and they will open it up to more trims levels for 2019



The 440 Tq sounds amazing at 1750 RPMs, but I don't work my truck hard enough to *need* that power down low

The diesel comes with a 10-speed automatic transmission and will be available in a variety of configurations. Fleet buyers can get it in XL and XLT work-focused trims, while retail customers can choose from a selection of Lariat, King Ranch and Platinum SuperCrew models with 4x2 and 4x4 drivetrains. It’ll even be available in F-150s fitted with the off-road FX4 package, but a Raptor diesel is not in the offing. Sorry.

I suppose getting the cafe up is the point.

Years ago, a co-worker was debating getting a diesel and decided that it would take over 100k miles to break even on the cost. So that justification has always been there. Not interested in a diesel unless my wife and I buy a big travel trailer and spend several months a year touring and then it wouldn't be a F150. the small diesel Mercedes seems to be the popular choice for small motorhomes though.

I would suspect that it will be like the 6.2, limited at first then more widely available. I also saw where fleet buyers can get it in any trim.

That same amount of torque is available with the 3.5EB for a couple thousand less. It's hard to justify it.

What they need to do is make it similarly priced to the gas engine variants. Just like what Wookie said, you can get the gas powered 3.5EB for a couple thousand less. So what's the point?

I remember when I was a kid, the diesel options were just about the same as the gas options or sometimes less.

Then again, sometimes no one wanted a diesel engine because they were for one, stinky, noisy, and slow. But would usually last forever.

I think the price of a F-150 diesel may be in the 60 to 65K range depending on trim. Payload will be lower then the gas engine models so your stuck if trying to haul a fifth wheel with any kind of weight or a heavy load. May be better suited for a long distance commuter vehicle more then anything. Ram and Nissan 1/2 and 5/8 tons are rare down here and there has to be a reason.

Not much. Max tow will be 11400#. Ram diesels have a low payload and a 9200# tow rating, but it doesn't look like Ford will be like that.

The Nissan may have reliability issues. It's rated to tow 12k.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rm-test-review

This is probably just an MPG regulations move. On the other hand, a diesel engine should last far longer than a gas one. I could see buying one if it is something you are going to have to keep a really long time, and are really going to rack up the miles on.

Most buyers aren't buying new vehicles for longevity, with strong residual values, and a quickly changing tech features. People are upgrading 3-5 years instead of 7-10 like they used to

Maybe eventually higher gas prices will slow down the market......

I used to be a 3-5, now I am turning into a 7-10+. I am on year 6 of my current 150, and with the wife's new truck, it gonna be awhile before I get something different.

I plan on keeping my 2007 F150 until minimally 2022, only because it is under a Ford ESP warranty. But I am sure I will be keeping it much longer than that. I've got a '07 Compass that will need to be retired way before the truck. So that will probably get replaced in 2023. I try to keep at least one of my vehicles under a warranty so I am guaranteed to have something "reliable" to drive, instead of a "backyard" project.

what was the cost to get warranty on a 2007 thru 2022.

Just the question I was thinking of asking. Had to be stupid expensive unless it's non-transferrable and they figure he'll bail / sell before the big claims start rolling in.

Cost of the warranty for all those years was right about at the ~$5k mark. However, it's paid for itself in the years I've had the truck. Last year the parking brake cables failed and the whole mechanism got messed up on both sides and in the truck. Cost was about $900 if I didn't have the warranty. My steering wheel made noises and binding when turning, would've cost me $600 to get it fixed. The most expensive job was a few years ago when the lower seal started leaking oil. Forgot how much that would've been. So yes, Ford lost money on this truck and the big claims were already rolling in.

I don't mind paying for it, only because my Ford dealer has treated my family well over the past 30 years. They do the job right the first time.

Edit: Forgot to mention, warranties are hit and miss. Some people will find them an utter waste of money, only because the product works fine throughout it's lifetime. Some will need them warranties to get the product fixed all the time. So, say there are 10 people who buy warranties -- not all those 10 people are going to make out with what they spent on the warranty. So say 7 out of those 10 people use the warranty, you've got the 3 that will likely never use it. Out of those 7 people that do use it, only 3 will likely go over what they spent on the warranty. So at the end of the day, you still have 7 people that contributed to the warranty to make the guaranteer profit. At the end of the day, the guaranteer still made profit.

Since the truck is paid off, and it's in great shape, I can't see not having a warranty on it. Plus if I were to sell it/trade it, the Ford ESP is transferable.

The odds are computed and profit margins are added to the cost of the insurance. So, the odds are it will cost you more than it will save you but each case is different. If I knew nothing about repairing cars, I might consider one.

Home warranties are different. If you buy one of those, you will never get new appliances or heating systems. they will always be repaired because that is the cheapest solution at the time. We changed out all of our kitchen appliances after 15 years because the wife wanted stainless steel appliances when all of them still worked fine. One of my neighbors has a home warranty and his home still has the 25 yr old heat pump which is very inefficient compared to newer ones. i got tired of the numerous repairs to my two Rheem heat pumps after 15 yrs and replaced them with more efficient and much more reliable units 10 yrs ago.