Well, that makes me feel better about the new 3.0.

 

They sold ownership of JLR to Tata yes. But they are still selling baby LR products with a 2.0L EB engine. The "fullsized" LR vehicles get the 3.0D V6 as well as the SC V6 and SC V8. Basically the entire engine line up for LR is still under Ford production.

I'd be willing to put a healthy bet on the F150 getting the same 3.0 DV6 that's in the JLR lineup. Full of all the crappie EPA emissions devices that chokes the USA spec engine down

 

according to ford it will be made in the UK and its not being run in anything else. diesel convo starts around the 4:10 mark

 

Sounds like the diesel is the only engine that won't have stop/start crap.

 

Are the new products still using Ford engines or have they started switching to in house designs?

 

I drive various Ford diesel F-350's (7.3, 6.0 & 6.4, & 6.7 liter) in the winter for a plowing contractor who bleeds Ford blue. For plowing and heavy towing, a diesel has been the way to fly for quite some time. Maybe that's why Ford is finally putting one in an F-150. However, if one takes a hard look at the progression of Powerstroke diesels, their reliability & complexity as well as the total cost of ownership, I might question the timing and real advantages of an oil burner.

The advantages of a diesel have historically been (relative) simplicity, high torque at low RPMs, better fuel mileage and longer overall life. But as the years have gone by, the EPA has put increasingly tighter emission regulations in place which have dramatically increased the complexity and cost of a diesel as well as compromised their reliability and longevity. And to re-coup the extra cost of the diesel option, one generally had to put at least 100,000 miles on the truck.

If you look under the hood of our 1996 F-350 with the old 7.3 liter, you can pretty much identify every single component. Oh, and if you drop a nickel in there, it has a pretty good shot of hitting the ground. More importantly, our mechanic can fix just about anything that goes wrong with it.

If you look under the hood of our 2015 F-350 with the new 6.7 liter motor, you'd be hard pressed to identify anything that's so tightly packed in there that you swear the hood won't actually close. What could possibly go wrong? Our mechanic won't even touch the thing other than oil and filter changes. I blame most of the complexity (and outrageous cost) on EPA regulations. But boy does that motor haul the mail!

So here's my real point. The days of owning a diesel as a "daily driver" are long gone. The total cost of ownership is just too far out of whack with newer gas motors. Lots of plowing contractors up here who swore by diesels for years are now switching to gas motors because even for them - folks who fit the target demographic - the diesel no longer makes financial sense. Seen the newest UPS delivery trucks? Gas powered. Think they made that big change for a reason? Yupper.

So as sexy as a diesel in a half ton sounds to even me, I'm skeptical of the real world benefits. I just don't think it's going to make real financial sense for many people. Will it have bags of towing power in a small (CID) package? Oh yea. But let's see what the upcharge from a gas motor works out to. I'm willing to bet that you'll have to pony up at least an extra six grand if not more. I'd also bet that the break even point is well over 100,000 miles now too.

Just my two cents.

 

^^^ You just hit the nail on the head. The price per gallon of diesel fuel has stayed higher than the price of unleaded. This really pushed the break even point out much further.

For comparison, the Ecodiesel in the RAM has OK horsepower and pretty good torque on paper but anyone that I know who has driven one says it's a dog on the highway but gets pretty good mileage. Now, look at either Ecoboost engine in a Ford. The 2.7 makes a little less power, gets pretty close mileage but feels much faster. The 3.5 makes more power, is a few MPGs lower and is considerably faster. Both Ford engines are many thousands of dollars cheaper. The new Ford diesel will have to be absolutely amazing for me to even think about getting one.

 

Listen to the video again. He doesn't directly say the F150 3.0DV6 is unique to any other vehicle. He very carefully answered the question, while dodging the truth.





I hear that as the engine is new (uncharted territory) for the F series, and not New to all markets. If was actually a new engine, he would have said "no its not common to any other vehicle, and it's all new"








JLR still using Ford power plants yes

 

Drove from Houston down to Corpus Christi today and passed a few full size GMC's on the way -- looking at them made me realize how eerily similar they are to the 2018 F-150's front clip.....

 

That's what I thought also - getting very similar...........

 

I heard something about them using a Volvo diesel possibly. Or maybe Volvo engineers helping Ford in the development. Anybody know?

 

Well - Ford bought Volvo in 1999 but sold it to the Chinese in 2010.

 

I look Ford to test driving the diesel. If I enjoy it, I will give it a year or so then trade my Taurus in for one. This Taurus is the exception, normally I would hang on to it for a long long time so payoff is not an issue for someone like me. But man I love this new design so much and I'll be getting a house later in my 20'a and want to truck vs the car. It will be interesting. If it seems like a problem motor, I may still get one and get a 5.0 or even an Ecoboost.

 

To me this looks like its going to be an expensive commuter truck. Loaded out I'd guess in the mid 60K or above range easily. Right up there with the F250 diesels that can actually carry some weight or pull a load. Still have a bad taste for a diesel in a 1/2 ton pickup since GM's fiasco in the early to mid '80's.

 

I agree it's going to be pretty pricey for the average joe to use as a DD. It may make sense for those road warrior salesmen, etc.

I was pretty stoked about the F150 getting a Diesel option, but now that I have a Eco, I don't know if I would make the switch.

For the money that I think they will be asking, a Raptor really calls to me instead (yes I realize they are on the opposite ends of the MPG game).

Looking forward to it hitting the road and seeing the numbers it will produce. I honestly think they needed to do it from a marketing standpoint, but not sure what the real world need and sales will be.