With all the protests, all of the rallies, the socialists, the progressives, the public sector unions; with all of these people saying that they are doing this for "the workers" I'm perplexed as to whom they are referring to when they refer to "the workers". Does anyone know? Do we have some "workers" here? Could I be a "worker"?

Though we have extraordinarily high unemployment, there are still a lot of people who go to work every day. Are the people at these protests referring to all of these people? People like you and me? If they are not referring to people like me, why not?

 

The sad truth is that the vocal minority is the news of the day. And I do mean minority. The public sector worker (government worker) should not be allowed a union at all in any form. It is a total conflict of interest to have a public sector union. The union negotiates with the government, and the government has no profit motive to keep things in line like a private company that has to deal with a union. Please the government workers union with high wages and great benifit package, and you have some pretty likely votes. That is corrupt as it can be.

 

What Chris said. The "workers" are Union workers. I've been in a Union. The benefits were great, but it sucked as far as having any responsibility or possibility for advancement.

While I respect the need for Unions in their day, They have been over-run with politics and need to dissolve for the good of the country.

 

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i to have been union and have seen to much one sided union rules all while others loose out! thats why i quit! that and my dues never seem to go to help me out just the shop Stuarts pocket books!

 

I am not part of a union and I am not even saying they are particularly effective. I still support one's right to organize and collectively bargain if the group so chooses.

The day when government can step in and dictate what group they belong to or not is a bad day in America.

The protesters are no different that the Teabaggers you all supported for the past two years.

Are you saying only right wing hate filled bigots are allowed to protest?

 

First, x10 on what chris said.

Second, give it up K-mac!! Who, in the short amount of posts that are here right now, mentioned anything about right wing, left wing, republican, democrat, tea-party or any of the other moronic babble you just spewed? And how the hell do you even possibly know who everyone here on this site supports? You just like to put stupid comments out there to stir up the pot, don't you? Good job! Stupid is, as stupid does.

 

While I am not a member of the union at my place of work, I don't necessarily believe they should be disbanded. I do think they should have no say in pay or benefits, but many time government supervisors and managers are rather abusive. For example at my job, management came up with a policy that should be negotiated with the union (it was a substantial change in work conditions). The union fought it and went to court. EVERY court case went the union's way, but the policy was not changed until the issue came up in contract negotiations. It was an item that went to an arbitrator, who decided in the unions favor. The agency had no choice but to comply at that point. I can list many more instances where the agency failed to follow the law or the contract that had nothing to do with how much a person was paid or their benefits. I think the unions need to get out of the compensation side of the house and stay in the worker management relations side.

 

I don't hear a lot of call for disbanding unions. In fact I hear people saying that unions have every right to exist and represent their membership. I think that people take issue when the tax payers are being strong armed by the unions.

If we take issue with private sector unions we can generally opt to not support them by withholding our consumer dollars from the companies that they are holding hostage. These pubic sector unions have way too much power because the tax paying public doesn't have a choice when they demand too much from us. That is untill election time when we can "collectively" elect representatives who are going to try to end the unions head lock on the tax payers. Not eliminate the union, just loosen their grip on the rest of us.







This isn't a case of government dictating who can unionize and who can't. Anyone who believes this or frames their argument this way lacks critical thinking skills. The voters in a few states have made it clear that they want the public sector to reign in it's spending and that the public sector unions have wielded thier enormous political influence long enough.

There is a WORLD of difference between the protestes for the continuation of union influence and corruption in our government and protests for limited government taxation and influence. To say the two are the same thing is assinine, and shows a complete lack of understanding of these two very different groups.

 

To answer the original topic question: Who are the workers?

Everyone besides the people on welfare. Yes, even the super rich are workers and much harder workers. Most of the time, "the worker" is a democrat name for the middle class or in others words. They are trying to imply that they do all the work, which is not true.

What is so funny is the democrats constantly talk about the 'middle class'. They hate the upper class and the lower class. They want the rich taxed to death. They also want the poor to have no jobs through the minimum wage law and unions are specifically made to keep themselves in a job by blocking others opportunities.

No democrat in their right mind should ever bring up the word 'greed'. They are first class in stealing money from the rich and the poor. They also in their right mind should not bring up 'being fair'.

 

As a group, would you say the "middle class" has a larger membership ?
I would think so, but I have not checked the data (i.e. tax brackets membership ) to confirm this.
This would take into account the lower middle class, middle class, and upper middle class ( the top 5% of upper middle class, of a 2 income residence, starts at $166K/yr, top 10% upper middle class, single resident, is 80K/yr ).

Extending the logic, if it is the largest number of people in a group, it would produce the most amount of 'work' as a group.
Not all ( as in every last bit of ) but the inflated amount all ( as in the majority of it, i.e. you ate all the pie, where it was just the remainder of what was left over, in my case if it was apple or cheese cake, which is not really pie, but pie shaped...sorry what was I saying ).

The part up for grabs, define how 'work' is measured.
Is this in man hours per year, or revenue generated, money returned to the economy, spending power, etc.

My opinion of middle class does all of the work, it is in terms of an hours ( meaning std 2080 hour year) x number of people = largest share of the hours in the employment poll.
The 'they do all of the work', the all is the exaggerated amount all, as in that pie ( yes back to pie again ) analogy. There was 3 pieces taken, the remainder put in the fridge.
The remainder of it was 9 pieces ( got me, a 9" is really 4 pieces to me ) and this is the all of the work, as in lion's share ( where did that saying come from, they are a football team from Detroit )

Don't think they hate the lower class, the social programs are generally targeted to this group, so this shows at least the want of the votes from this group.

I think the tax the rich to death is propaganda.
The funny part, most ( dems ) are in this category themselves, and to demonize this group is to demonize themselves.
I guess that is lost on some voters...

This is just my take on it ( read opinion, and really a subjective one at that ).

Sorry trying to be serious, I guess my blood sugar level is a bit too low... I made an effort to stay on topic. They key word there; TRY

 

You better go eat some of that pie! J/K

 

I would have to go out and get some.
I try not to keep any thing like that in the house, else I should just use some super glue to attached to my ever expanding fat ***.

Back on topic, did any of that make sense ??

 

Made sense to me

 

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Now THAT is a VERY legitimate use for a union!

 

I had to go and fight this ticket one time .I walked into the office and the lady behind the desk was about 450 pds friekin huge bad attitude and everything, I'm sure she was makin 20 plus per hour with full benefits unbelievable.