if you're going to make a point, why not provide some evidence and explanation. instead of just making **** up in an attempt to prove your side of the argument.


it's okay. just try to make the other guy presenting facts and legitimate information look lost so that you don't have to try (and ultimately fail) to prove your point.

 

also, a good read: http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-u...-obama-agenda/

 

Sheez you're a hard headed little one.

I did make a point. You refuse to see it or can't see it, I don't know. It's really not that hard to comprehend. Reading is fundamental.

 

You need to move the Fascists down on the conservative side. They have a left draw but use methods from the right. It is kind of how most Communists have a right draw of authoritarianism.

Essentially it is best described putting it to the right of the Anarchist as idealizations are more circular than a continuous line. The Fascists are so right wing they end up meeting the Communists in some ways.

Considering a circle...you would have left to right

<---Communist....Socialist...Liberal...Moderate...Cons ervative...Constitutionalists...Libertarian...Anar chists...Fascists--->

 

I'm a strong tea-party conservative. Government has its purpose and place in America, however right now, they are showing themselves to be too far-reaching and out of control. The idea that our leaders are so arrogant to think that they 'provide for the people' is appaling. I want American government to fund the most advanced and powerful military in the world and have strong police and fire departments. Other than that, they do not need to have a strong presence in our every day lives. Now, I do understand that we need organizations such as the Food and Drug Administration (I want clean food and water to consume). However, I want our government to stay out of business such as healthcare, running GM, and loading bills with pork that for instance, provide the National Endowment for the Arts with $50 million of MY EARNED PAYROLL DOLLARS.

Our government needs to focus on a few key objectives and nothing else. Let the private sector slug it out. We need to slowly end wasteful government handouts. The government is keeping poor people poor simply by providing them with a check that is just enough to survive on and to take away any motivation of working hard for a better living standard. Take these away from those who are capable, and we would see government spending less money and unwilling folks will get a new motivation to contribute to society.

Ever since our Republic was formed, we have been on a slow, 1-way march toward becoming an Oligarchy. We never reverse because the government never returns power to the people...it only limits it and takes it away. Obama's administration is mashing this gas pedal to the floor with both feet.


I wouldn't say I'm 'antigovernment,' I simply believe in small federal govt, states rights, and an overall governing body that is full of fiscal tightwads and military advocates.

47% of Americans don't pay taxes, we have 9% unemployment, inflation, and we have a $12 trillion dollar defecit; none of which was caused by fiscal conservatives. We need some in office to get this mess under control.

 

Who do you consider a fiscal conservative? Reagan? He took office with a $900 billion debt and. 8 years later it tripled to $2.8 trillion. George HW Bush? He took a $2.8 trillion dollar debt and made it $5 trillion. Clinton? He pushed. It to $6 trillion but did start running surpluses at the end. W? He more than doubled the debt from $6 trillion to well over $12 trillion!

 

Wrong. Fascists are left-wingers. You've just been taught otherwise.

 

Sorry Frank but I have to take you to task on that one. Fascism incorporates themes from both the far right and far left...so much so that it is the point where the two meet on a continuum.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.ac...81474976721152

If you have proof otherwise, I am always open to discussion.

 

Monarchy-> Oligarchy-> Democracy-> Republic-> Anarchy

You can take the Monarchy and Anarchy off the list because Monarchy has never truly existed and anarchy does not last.
Communism/Socialism fit under oligarchy and small amounts of it can fit under democracy.

You either want more government or less.

 

Did you read the comments in the blog posting that you referenced? Interesting.

I read the blog post that you referenced. The traits that it's author labeled fascist appear far more in line with todays American progressives than modern day American conservatives.

If you want to talk about fascism, that's ok. It really has nothing to do with the false accusations being made about Palin, the right and the "Tea Party".

It's appearing that it's possible that this unstable shooter was a lefty. It really doesn't make any difference though. This kind of behavior is unacceptable no matter who does it and for what reason.

My intention when starting this thread was to discuss the medias propensity to stir up the liberals/progressives. They know that the Tea Party movement is a threat to their political agenda, and will wield their hefty influence to snuff it out.

 

That is pretty much correct and why the very theory of anarchism is absurd. Humans are social animals and that trait naturally brings a hierarchial association between the individuals, not to mention our natural compeditiveness. That ain't gonna work!


I had a long post but just before settling on finalizing it I realized something, it is a self destructive comment. The main theme was that the traditional "common sense" is dangerous.

I guess just disregard this post.

 

We haven't had a fiscal conservative in the presidency in my lifetime -- and I'm 52 years old. Most people intuitively know this to be true, which has contributed to the birth of the Tea Party movement. We are simply tired of being hosed by politicians who claim to be one thing, and then become something altogether different once they hit the belt way.

 

I agree with you that we haven't had a fiscal conservative in office but most people will point at Reagan as being the Champion of Conservativeness and it just simply isn't true. I agree that in many ways we do need to scale back our spending. However, where I tend to disagree with some is that I think spending needs to be smart instead of just cutting for the sake of cutting.

You can slash education spending to the bone but you will get to the point that you are housing so many illiterates in the correctional system that the savings on education is far lost on prisons.

Same way with health care. I do think we have a problem that needs addressing. I don't think Obamacare is the true answer. It just leaves a windfall for insurance companies that we all must buy from. The same premise that everyone's car insurance was going to drop big time when laws were enacted requiring everyone to be insured is the same fallacy as making everyone buy health insurance is going to magically accomplish this.

That said, I think some parts of the health care bill are valuable and ditching it all is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Everyone thinks that Reagan spending trillions of dollars on the war machine won the Cold War. The Soviet Union was going to fall regardless. Us spending ridiculous amounts of money on weapons that are abandoned or that have been dismantled didn't push them over.

True conservatism wouldn't spend more than we make but would spend the money wisely and seek the best bang for the buck.

 

Wasn't the last fiscal conservative Eisenhower?

 

I don't think that the people that participate in the "Tea Party" are Fascists. Fascism is a term thrown around too freely and really doesn't exist in our country from either side.

I do think the backers of the Tea Party (Koch brothers) would like to see an oligarchy set up here and we are well on our way there. I do agree with the Tea Party that spending is out of hand and that the government is too big.

Where I disagree with the Tea Party is that I do think we need a social safety net and that while there may be a handful of people that will take advantage of things given to them, I believe the majority of people want to be productive.