if you have 50K

this is MUCH better than a damn LEAF or VOLT!

http://www.teslamotors.com/models

 

That is actually a very reasonable price when you look at the overall quality and such for that car.

Tesla is by the far only Hybrid/EV company worth investing into.

Plus people with think it's a Aston or Maserati.

 

its sad that GM built cars like this that got 100 miles a charge 15 YEARS AGO!! how can they not possibly get more miles today!! with all the new battery technology like the TESLA, the big 3 should have been making these all along!!

DAMN OIL COMPANIES AND BUSH FOR KILLING THEM!!!

here is a focus ev!

http://www.pluginamerica.org/vehicles/ford-focus-ev

 

I hope you're being sarcastic.

The GM EV1 was a money pit that had absolutely no market in the late 90's when gas was 70 cents/gallon. GM basically dropped 2 Billion dollars into that program that could've been spent developing higher quality cars.

It takes a lot of energy to push a vehicle down the highway and up hills at 65 MPH for more than 100 miles. Someday the battery technology will be sufficient. We are not there yet, unfortunately.

 

You should watch the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car".

A lot of people felt they were fine cars. Talks all about the behind the scene's of why they collected all the car's and destroyed them. Also, on how big oil bought and shelfed battery technology to buy themselves time.

Ford didn't recall and trash the 6.0L's. I don't think there's a vehicle that would be more deserving of such an action.

The not so secret world of big oil controls way more then you seem to think, Frank.

 

exactly! i just watched the movie today after seeing the tesla.

frank, even if they did spend so much money and had the techonolgy 15 years ago, how come they didnt just bring them back in 07 and 08 when gas was 4.00 a gallon. they could have sold a thousands of them!!

also, why does the volt only get 40 miles a charge when the saturn got 100 miles to a charge when we have all this new battery technology??

 

Like I said above, and I'll add here, that the EV1 was not in high enough demand to be continued. I even remember paying .69/gallon for gasoline in the Atlanta area in 1999.

GM lost money on every EV1 they produced. This is a cold hard fact. Not to mention that unless we go to 100% nuclear power in this country, we are only burning more coal to power these electric vehicles.

GM has made many mistakes and I am not particularly a fan of their products, but I am not going to throw them under the bus on this issue. If we can transition to nuclear energy (as France is doing), electric vehicles are the way to go. If not, we should concentrate on other energy sources, including more fuel efficient gasoline powered cars.

 

LOL That's almost as rich as starting off an argument with "Bill Maher says..."

 

Why don't you numb-skulls watch the "movie" and come up with your own conclusions instead of being ignorant. It's as simple as finding it on Youtube.

 

People are going to believe whatever supports their argument more often than not. Who the numb-skull is, isn't always so clear.



http://blogs.motortrend.com/no-one-k...ival-1839.html

 

it still doesnt explain the fact that they could get 100 miles a charge 15 years ago compared to 40 today!!

 

One contributing factor is the curb weight difference. The Volt is 600 pounds heavier.

 

yeah, cars also weren't required to be too terribly safe back then, so you didn't have door reinforcement panels, airbags, etc to the extent they do today, thus the cars were significantly lighter.

 

That's not really true. I worked on those cars of which you speak and there wasn't anything light about 'em. They weren't worried about weight when gas was 25-50 cents a gallon. I'm showing my age but I can remember when crude was $3. a barrel. The metal was heavy, the engines were ALL cast iron, the 1st 2 Oldsmobiles that I had (a '49 "88" & a '50 "88") the transmission cases were even cast iron or steel on both of 'em. I had a '68 Chrysler Wagon that was almost 5000 lbs. "Light" didn't come till some time later.

 

here is a comparison for both of them. the ev had 3X the battery.

heres the link
http://green.autoblog.com/2007/01/07...y-the-numbers/

EV1 Volt
Battery type: Lead Acid LiIon
Battery volume: 300L 100L
Charging voltage: 220V 110V/while driving
Charging Time: 8 hours 6-6.5 hours
QuickCharge Capable NO YES
Passenger capacity:2 passengers 4 passengers
Acceleration (0-60) 8-9 sec 8-8.5 sec
Top speed: 80 mph 120+ mph
Pure EV Range: 60-90 miles 40 miles
Total Range 60-90 miles 640 miles
Curb weight: 3084 lbs 3140 lbs