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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 11:34 PM
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Actually, "Koran" is also correct since it is impossible to directly translate the word into English. So no, we are not 'dumb donkeys.'
 
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 11:39 PM
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Actually, "Koran" is also correct since it is impossible to directly translate the word into English. So no, we are not 'dumb donkeys.'
Thanx... sorry I missed that......
 
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Old Sep 13, 2010 | 11:44 PM
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I say we trade him off. See if Italy wants him. We'll give you one washed out President for a unlimited supply of Italian made shotguns
Ooh Ooh Double Drool ! Put me in for one
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 12:55 PM
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Dumb asses it's spelled Qur'an......
and we care why?
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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Anyone can disagree with the President. That is our right as citizens. However, people should not disrespect the Office of President. I thought Bush was a bumbling idiot but he was still our president and deserved respect as such.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 05:44 PM
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obama has brought more disrespect to and cheapened the presidential office more than any of us ever could. he is on full time campaign mode all the time. he apologizes to our enemies and alienates our allies. if this guy wins we all lose. the best we can hope is that in november we vote out all on his side that is up for election. then not forget in 2012 and send him packing also. he should be good at packing for all the vacationing he does.

kind of obvious i didnt vote for him and he is not my president. in fact i doubt he is even a citizen.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 06:22 PM
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Anyone can disagree with the President. That is our right as citizens. However, people should not disrespect the Office of President. I thought Bush was a bumbling idiot but he was still our president and deserved respect as such.
Who's disrepecting the Office? Obumdazz is doing a fine job himself.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mlamprey
Ooh Ooh Double Drool ! Put me in for one



I would vote Sara Palin for President in 2012 if she ran. And wouldnt think twice about it. I believe she would make a great president
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 07:02 PM
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Who's disrepecting the Office? Obumdazz is doing a fine job himself.
While I do not agree with the President's policies, his views, his lack of tact, and his exceedingly bad habit of butting in on issues that the president has no business butting in on... He IS my president even if I didn't vote for him. My own personal opinion is that saying "He's not my president, I didn't vote for him," is incredibly disrespectful to the man, the office, and everything American politics stands for.

The truth is that we could be bowing to a King if George Washington hadn't laid down his office and the founding fathers hadn't set forth this system of democratic election for president. Like it or not, the man was voted in by the people of this country. Saying he doesn't represent you might be true, but saying you won't honor him as president because you don't agree and didn't vote for him is not patriotic in the slightest, and certainly disrespects the office.

We're all on the same damn side. We're all Americans (unless you're actually not... ), and we all should support the government and our leaders even if we think they're a bunch of self serving baboons. Doing otherwise only serves to strengthen the enemy and those who wish to see our country truly torn asunder, whoever that might be. I'm not saying we can't be critical, and I'm not saying we can't disagree. However, to blatantly attack our president, not in the spirit of fun but the spirit of hatred, is as counterproductive as it is ignorant. You want him gone? Good. So do I. Vote him out. Do it with the ballot, not with ignorance and hatred.

That is all.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Duskrider
While I do not agree with the President's policies, his views, his lack of tact, and his exceedingly bad habit of butting in on issues that the president has no business butting in on... He IS my president even if I didn't vote for him. My own personal opinion is that saying "He's not my president, I didn't vote for him," is incredibly disrespectful to the man, the office, and everything American politics stands for.

The truth is that we could be bowing to a King if George Washington hadn't laid down his office and the founding fathers hadn't set forth this system of democratic election for president. Like it or not, the man was voted in by the people of this country. Saying he doesn't represent you might be true, but saying you won't honor him as president because you don't agree and didn't vote for him is not patriotic in the slightest, and certainly disrespects the office.

We're all on the same damn side. We're all Americans (unless you're actually not... ), and we all should support the government and our leaders even if we think they're a bunch of self serving baboons. Doing otherwise only serves to strengthen the enemy and those who wish to see our country truly torn asunder, whoever that might be. I'm not saying we can't be critical, and I'm not saying we can't disagree. However, to blatantly attack our president, not in the spirit of fun but the spirit of hatred, is as counterproductive as it is ignorant. You want him gone? Good. So do I. Vote him out. Do it with the ballot, not with ignorance and hatred.

That is all.
I couldn't agree with you more. I am not a great fan of President Obama. I did vote for him and thought with having the congress and president on one side that lots of great things just may get done. Unfortunately the Dems are not as good as bringing their troops in lockstep with them and haven't lived up to their billing.

We have made some strives forward (backward) but I think in the end, healthcare reform will be a positive but it will take time to get there.

Nonetheless, if the GOP put together a solid candidate that wasn't part of the hard right wackos and wasn't a hard right bible beater I would possibly vote for them.

Bush Cheney and co. sent this country on a bad path. Wars that have accomplished little more than unrest in Iraq and nothing in Afghanistan. The start of the bailouts and one of the worst recessions ever.

We need more good jobs and tax policy that brings jobs home. Just giving big tax cuts to the rich don't help. Maybe it is bringing our tariffs on foreign goods in line with our trade partners. Make the pay scales more balanced. If labor is $1/hr in China and $20/hr in the US we will make nothing.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 07:56 PM
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Capital gains tax rate in the USA = 28%.

Capital gains tax rate in Communist China = 0% (their economy is growing by 9% every year while ours slogs at 1.5% to 2%) And most of our current 'growth' is stimulus which will run out.

If we desire jobs, we should also desire tax cuts for the job creators (the mainstream media calls them, "tax cuts for the rich").

I disagree that we should "support" Hussein Obama just because he is our president. I cannot and will not support economic policies that make the poor poorer and someone who uses class warfare (Alinsky tactics) to keep himself in power.

He is POTUS for another 28 months. I'll reconsider if he enacts policies that will help Americans become prosperous again and honestly exercises his "religious tolerance" for all, not just ostensibly.
 

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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 08:00 PM
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I will never support him weather he is my President or not.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 09:29 PM
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The economy is growing at a crazy rate in China not because of taxes but rather they are the cheap manufacturer of the world.

If you have a slave pool to go from that have no benefits and few safety precautions for labor or the environment you would see that growth almost anywhere.

They are essentially in the same position as we were at the turn of the 20th century. You have a labor pool that is 1 billion+ and is moving from the farm to manufacturing.

Also note they have had fraud too. Baby formula tainted with chemicals after it was watered down. Lead paint on toys. You would think we would realize that our safety is worth more than the nickle we save by it not being made in the USA.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
The economy is growing at a crazy rate in China not because of taxes but rather they are the cheap manufacturer of the world.

If you have a slave pool to go from that have no benefits and few safety precautions for labor or the environment you would see that growth almost anywhere.

They are essentially in the same position as we were at the turn of the 20th century. You have a labor pool that is 1 billion+ and is moving from the farm to manufacturing.

Also note they have had fraud too. Baby formula tainted with chemicals after it was watered down. Lead paint on toys. You would think we would realize that our safety is worth more than the nickle we save by it not being made in the USA.
Please, please, please read this : http://www.amazon.com/How-Economy-Gr...4515983&sr=1-1
 
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Old Sep 14, 2010 | 11:34 PM
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You guys call me out for The Jungle being fiction and bring this book. I have read it and it is pretty good. The premise is fine. He built a more efficient fish catcher and I don't have an issue with it.

People who take risks and win should be rewarded. However men like Henry Ford understood that in order for his workers to buy his product they had to make a decent wage. Our cost of living is different than China. We can't compete with their workers wage scale.

That said, businesses are taking advantage of things too. Corporate profits are up and you cut labor. Any one see the deal Harley Davidson put the union guys into. Make them agree to freeze wages for 7 years and they may get to keep their jobs and not move the plant. 7 years and no raise? That encourages production.

We have encouraged manufacturing to leave and shipped jobs away. A consumer based economy will fall in. You can only consume so much and the $$ comes from producing something.
 
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