Refer to post 9 https://www.f150online.com/forums/ge...s-amnesty.html

 

Are you campaigning for Global Moderator?




A fence in this thread is to keep people who are trying to enter our country illegally out. They can come in the legal way like the millions of legitimate immigrants do.

 

No I'm not campaigning for Global Moderator but you can see I've learnt a lot, they really keep me in line.

It doesn't matter what kind of fence you put up they will still break entry. Now, if you built a wall of man power and shot to kill anyone who trespasses as the law states then that would definitely make a big deference.

 

Arizona's southern border safe? HARDLY AT ALL !!!!!

Today in the news, many border area police departments are ORDERING their off-duty officers to be ARMED and (at their discretion) to wear a bullet-proof vest due to increasing sniper fire from the Mexican drug lords stationed on the border in Mexico. If this is not grounds for a border fence and troup deployment to protect OUR NATION, then God help us.

I know when I was down investigating the U.S./Mexico Border years ago, there were areas where the 'border fence' was three strands of barbed wire laying on the ground. In many areas, THERE WAS NO FENCE AT ALL !!! One of the local radio talk show hosts went to the border and met members of the Mexican Army in definite U.S territory. Last time I checked, a foreign army invading a U.S territory was considered an act aggression, and grounds for war.

One of my favorite drives used to be Arizona Route 86 from Tucson to Gila Bend, through Three Points, Sells, Why, and Ajo. Today, there is no way I would feel safe driving it, even in broad daylight.

It is a crying shame that this country is being invaded and destroyed by illegal activity and our 'community organizer in chief' and his bunch of worthless wimps will do nothing to enforce federal laws, and will do everything in their power to block state and local leaders that are willing to enact and enforce laws about illegal immigration.

 

What are we waiting for, do we have to wait another 2 yrs, well 1 1/2, to vote the Liberals out or office so the Conservatives can re-install the fence they installed which kept all the illegals out when they were in power?

 

Instead of just talking in circles why don't you lay out a plan to deal with the situation at hand? I think most everyone (drug smugglers excluded) can agree that things have gotten out of control along the border.

While you are thinking about it work on that sig, the site rules are 500 x 150. You are well beyond that.

 

On the first suggestion, I'm not the one bitching and complaining then sitting in front of my computer doing nothing about it.

On the second Order:

Yes Sir, I shall obey.

Are you also gonna order Stealth, NFSU, and many of the other members to do the same with their sig Or am I the only one you have a bone to pick with?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkXjMvUy5ak&feature=fvw

 

Well, I'm sure as heck not one of them! I worked in a convenience store for 5 1/2 years and the problems I had with non-English speaking Hispanic immigrants (of which half were probably illegal; I had direct evidence many of those were here illegally) was unbelieveable (it's interesting that the African and S.E. Asian immigrants either spoke English or learned it quickly). Many were repeat customers over several years who never bothered to learn English. Most were illiterate in both English and Spanish. They would tear things up because they couldn't read signs telling them how to use basic things like the hot dog grill. Trying to explain things to them was difficult to impossible due to the language barrier.

I'm tired of seeing everything printed in both English and Spanish. I had to pull my children out of a bilingual school because the non-English speakers were holding back the English speakers.

Illegal immigrants (not just Hispanics) are able to take advantage of free schooling, medical care, etc. without paying taxes. AZ is in a budget crisis; I would like to see how much that would be alleviated if the illegals had the freebies cut off.

A high percentage (although not a majority) of crime is committed by illegals. Very few of the ones caught were being deported.

We pay higher auto insurance premiums because of accidents caused by illegals driving without insurance. Rarely were they being deported.

Violence is increasing along both sides the southern border of the State.

What really bites my backside (besides tall dogs) is Mexico complaining about AZ finally treating illegal aliens as the law breakers they are. What is really ironic is when U.S. citizens enter Mexico illegally, they are treated a lot worse than we treat their illegals.

 

That is an example of a post made out of context. The fence post pictured was used in a different thead. The meaning of it was to remind Witton, that he could argue with a fence post and get more results.
That was about a statement he made in the other thread, and had nothing to do with this thread. Just another example of words used out of context
I had not even read this thread

 

Rant mode on.

OGTerror, we have needed that border fence for more years than I care to count, and it has not been built. I blame many people, from both Republican and Democratic parties, for this mess, but primarily Democrats, who had control of Congress from 1954 to 1994 and from 2006 to present, and Republicans that put this issue on the back burner as it "wasn't important".

The last program that the U.S. used that actually worked for illegal immigration was "Operation Wetback", that rounded up illegal immigrants and deported them to southern Mexico. Unfortunately, this program ended in 1954, when the Democrats regained control of Congress.

Since this time, we have had Caesar Chavez and the UFW complain for migrant farm worker rights, a DEMOCRAT controlled Congress push for amnesty in 1986, a deluge of illegals come here waiting for another amnesty to come, and politicians and political action commitees bending over backwards for illegal immigrants. They are breeding "anchor babies" in order to get government aid and (hopefully) stay here, and virtually destroying certain areas of our cities. In fact, there are areas of Phoenix that I will not visit, even during the day, and some of those areas that are populated by illegals primarily are described by one Phoenix police officer as "worse than any war zone I have ever been in, and I have been on the frontlines in Iraq and Afghanistan", due to drug and gang violence and shootings.

But the thing that truly gripes me is how our government has turned a blind eye to this problem, and when the people spoke via the initiative petition here in Arizona, politicians overturned the will of the people through shenanigans and loopholes. Former Arizona governer, and now Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, along with Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard, both DEMOCRATS, overturned voter approved initiatives that would ban governemnt aid to illegals, would ban driver's licenses to illegals, and other voter approved initiatives. How did they do this? By saying that the programs were "federally funded programs", and therefore federal guidelines had to be followed, not the initiatives approved by the majority of voters. Now, Janet Napolitano has the audacity to complain about Arizona's SB1070 WITHOUT EVEN READING IT. And Terry Goddard said he would not represent the state of Arizona in any suits brought on by this bill, but now has backstepped to a half-hearted attempt to say he now supports the bill, after the legislature passsed a second bill to refine SB1070, and current Republican Governer Jan Brewer is receiving many donations to defend the law, and said she would PERSONALLY defend the law. What a bunch of bull from two DEMOCRATS who can't support the will of the people.

And don't get me started about "Flip Flop on Immigration" John McCain. That old geezer needs to be retired, along with a laundry list of others that don't listen to their constituents, or only listen at election time.

In conclusion, I just want to say this: Many politicians have been to blame for the mess that illegal immigration and porous borders have been in this country for the last 50 plus years. Something, besides amnesty and "aiding and abetting lawbreakers", needs to be done in this country soon. The U.S. should have troups on our border protecting we, the people of the United States, from FOREIGN INVASION. And once we have our borders under control, THEN we can look at comprehensive immigration reform.

And, to keep this post in line with this thread: The United States' southern border is a complete shambles. When you can literally crawl on your hands and knees across the border fence, you have a border control problem. This "porous border fence" has been an absolute disaster for decades. It needs to be fixed NOW. And if the present administration doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to protect our borders, we the people of the United states will elect people that will listen to the voters, and get the fence built, along with protect the people of the United States from foreign invaders, and make our southern border safe.

Rant mode off.

 

Very well stated AZ Mr Bill!!!!!

As long as we stay focused on ALL the stupid things our elected officials, both local and federal, are trying to pull we stand a chance. I can't stand it when people say they don't vote then complain about their situation. We all need to stay informed and vote the ***tards out come November. Everyone should be paying attention to what these elete elected princes and princesses are doing right now and don't pay any attention to what they say in October.
I pray to God (yes OG I said God) that our country will last that long.

Rant mode just getting started!

 

The more I hear about Obama, the more I can't wait till he's out of office. He tells a member of congress that he won't secure the border because if he did the Republicans won't support "Comprehensive Immigration Reform." Want to hold the securing of the border as a political carrot. When he uses that term "Comprehensive Reform" what he really means (and the other socialists) is amnesty for all illegals. Well if we give them all amnesty that will only incite more to cross illegally.

 

Well, said Az Mr. Bill!

FWIW, California of all places also passed an initiative to stop state services to illegal aliens. But it was overturned by the courts.

So now we have more illegal aliens than ever, Apparently, some have moved out to other states now that our economy is in the tank.

Oh, and the courts are poised to prohibit any real attempt at a secure border fence. Basically, it interferes with migration patters of some wildlife, and our environmetal protection laws won't allow that.

 

Ah, the biggest secret in government spending: Just exactly how many tax dollars are spent in this nation providing schooling, medical care, public housing, prison beds, etc... for illegal aliens?

And the followup questions: How does this impact the services provided to citizens? How do the necessary tax increases to fund the elevated services impact the economy? How much will future generations pay in debt service because of the services we provide illegal aliens? IS IT WORTH IT????

Every public agency hides this information, because, to quote a famous movie line, "You can't handle the truth."