Hmmm...cops do have quota's.
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Hmmm...cops do have quota's.
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/s....shtml?cat=516
Apparently Chief Segotta is not too familiar with the English language, or is a lying SOB (I'm going with the latter).
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...=define:+quota
Prescribed number, proportional share, limit...hmm
Sounds like the term quota could describe a situation in which a person is required to do X number of tasks. hmmm.
Sounds like Chiefy needs to be punched in the nads for lying to the public.
Thoughts?
Eyewitness News 4 has uncovered documentation that indicates some police officers have been mandated to write a certain number tickets per month or face possible punishment.
The information was found after an anonymous tip led us to file a records request for a patrol plan given to some state police officers last year.
The record says, "Santa Fe officers are mandated to average a minimum of 100 citations and three DWI arrests per month, along with any other activity."
The same goes for officers patrolling Pecos.
According to the patrol plan, the consequences for failing to reach that quota include: "lower evaluations ratings," "loss of overtime privileges," and "loss of the ability to switch shifts."
Eyewitness News 4’s Jeremy Jojola asked Chief Faron Segotta about the mandate.
Jojola: “That sounds like a quota."
Segotta: “Well, it's not a quota. I can understand where the public may think it's a quota. It's just like anybody who works out (of) the government sector or the private sector. You're expected to put a work product out."
Chief Segotta calls it a “minimum performance standard.” He says all 12 state police districts in New Mexico have different standards depending on crime levels. Segotta says officers have other work to do that could sometimes prevent them from meeting monthly standards, which he says is fine. But Segotta is adamant; he says there isn't quota.
"All traffic stops have to be observed by the officer, and the officer has to have reasonable suspicion and probable cause to issue the citation. And that's what we expect our employees to follow," said Segotta.
"Anytime they have what's called a performance expectation or a performance standard, it really is a quota," says Ousama Rasheed, president-elect of the New Mexico Criminal Defense Lawyers Association. He says quotas can pressure officers, especially during DWI stops.
"They stop somebody, and they're a 0.04 or a 0.05, they will make that arrest to meet their quota; and then whatever happens in court, happens in court, but that person still has to hire an attorney, go through the process, be charged criminally."
The chief adds that officers who don't meet their performance standard won't face punishment immediately. A sergeant will work with that officer to correct any problems.
In the meantime, Rasheed recommends drivers obey traffic laws -- as if there's a police officer in the passenger seat with you.
The information was found after an anonymous tip led us to file a records request for a patrol plan given to some state police officers last year.
The record says, "Santa Fe officers are mandated to average a minimum of 100 citations and three DWI arrests per month, along with any other activity."
The same goes for officers patrolling Pecos.
According to the patrol plan, the consequences for failing to reach that quota include: "lower evaluations ratings," "loss of overtime privileges," and "loss of the ability to switch shifts."
Eyewitness News 4’s Jeremy Jojola asked Chief Faron Segotta about the mandate.
Jojola: “That sounds like a quota."
Segotta: “Well, it's not a quota. I can understand where the public may think it's a quota. It's just like anybody who works out (of) the government sector or the private sector. You're expected to put a work product out."
Chief Segotta calls it a “minimum performance standard.” He says all 12 state police districts in New Mexico have different standards depending on crime levels. Segotta says officers have other work to do that could sometimes prevent them from meeting monthly standards, which he says is fine. But Segotta is adamant; he says there isn't quota.
"All traffic stops have to be observed by the officer, and the officer has to have reasonable suspicion and probable cause to issue the citation. And that's what we expect our employees to follow," said Segotta.
"Anytime they have what's called a performance expectation or a performance standard, it really is a quota," says Ousama Rasheed, president-elect of the New Mexico Criminal Defense Lawyers Association. He says quotas can pressure officers, especially during DWI stops.
"They stop somebody, and they're a 0.04 or a 0.05, they will make that arrest to meet their quota; and then whatever happens in court, happens in court, but that person still has to hire an attorney, go through the process, be charged criminally."
The chief adds that officers who don't meet their performance standard won't face punishment immediately. A sergeant will work with that officer to correct any problems.
In the meantime, Rasheed recommends drivers obey traffic laws -- as if there's a police officer in the passenger seat with you.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...=define:+quota
Prescribed number, proportional share, limit...hmm
Sounds like the term quota could describe a situation in which a person is required to do X number of tasks. hmmm.
Sounds like Chiefy needs to be punched in the nads for lying to the public.
Thoughts?
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May be half myth, or half lie based on half truths. There are many ways of getting the same result, without specifying a quota. It happens in other business ever day. Just state the rules, and smart people will work around them.
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+1.
My Brother was a Traffic Officer for a few years and it's a "Performance Standard" NOT a quota....
There's a formula that is used.
X amount of drivers in an area will equal X amount of Citations.
How many times in just one day do you see Stop Signs ran,Red Lights ran,Excessive Speed,Unsafe Lane changes,someone on a Cell phone or anything else that can result in a Citation.
Now ask yourself,How many of THEM were ticketed?
Don't drive like an A**Hat and you've got nothing to worry about.....
My Brother was a Traffic Officer for a few years and it's a "Performance Standard" NOT a quota....
There's a formula that is used.
X amount of drivers in an area will equal X amount of Citations.
How many times in just one day do you see Stop Signs ran,Red Lights ran,Excessive Speed,Unsafe Lane changes,someone on a Cell phone or anything else that can result in a Citation.
Now ask yourself,How many of THEM were ticketed?
Don't drive like an A**Hat and you've got nothing to worry about.....
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+1.
My Brother was a Traffic Officer for a few years and it's a "Performance Standard" NOT a quota....
There's a formula that is used.
X amount of drivers in an area will equal X amount of Citations.
How many times in just one day do you see Stop Signs ran,Red Lights ran,Excessive Speed,Unsafe Lane changes,someone on a Cell phone or anything else that can result in a Citation.
Now ask yourself,How many of THEM were ticketed?
Don't drive like an A**Hat and you've got nothing to worry about.....
My Brother was a Traffic Officer for a few years and it's a "Performance Standard" NOT a quota....
There's a formula that is used.
X amount of drivers in an area will equal X amount of Citations.
How many times in just one day do you see Stop Signs ran,Red Lights ran,Excessive Speed,Unsafe Lane changes,someone on a Cell phone or anything else that can result in a Citation.
Now ask yourself,How many of THEM were ticketed?
Don't drive like an A**Hat and you've got nothing to worry about.....
a prescribed number; "all the salesmen met their quota for the month"
a proportional share assigned to each participant
a limitation on imports; "the quota for Japanese imports was negotiated"
Did you even read the article? They must have X amount of tickets written and X amount of DWI arrests per month. If that's not a quota then what the hell is?
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A "performance standard" IS a quota. How hard is that to understand?
a prescribed number; "all the salesmen met their quota for the month"
a proportional share assigned to each participant
a limitation on imports; "the quota for Japanese imports was negotiated"
Did you even read the article? They must have X amount of tickets written and X amount of DWI arrests per month. If that's not a quota then what the hell is?
a prescribed number; "all the salesmen met their quota for the month"
a proportional share assigned to each participant
a limitation on imports; "the quota for Japanese imports was negotiated"
Did you even read the article? They must have X amount of tickets written and X amount of DWI arrests per month. If that's not a quota then what the hell is?
"Santa Fe officers are mandated to average a minimum of 100 citations and three DWI arrests per month, along with any other activity."
So your OK with Drunk Driving?
3 DUI/DWI arrests is too low,it should be higher.
Unless your OK with Drunk driving or someone running a Red Light at 70mph and plowing into "Grandma" and killing her....
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From the article;
"Santa Fe officers are mandated to average a minimum of 100 citations and three DWI arrests per month, along with any other activity."
So your OK with Drunk Driving?
3 DUI/DWI arrests is too low,it should be higher.
Unless your OK with Drunk driving or someone running a Red Light at 70mph and plowing into "Grandma" and killing her....
"Santa Fe officers are mandated to average a minimum of 100 citations and three DWI arrests per month, along with any other activity."
So your OK with Drunk Driving?
3 DUI/DWI arrests is too low,it should be higher.
Unless your OK with Drunk driving or someone running a Red Light at 70mph and plowing into "Grandma" and killing her....
What I'm saying is that if they can't succeed in actually finding people driving drunk, they might arrest somebody that blows a 0.04 or 0.05 because technically they can. Sure it fills their quota but then that person gets screwed with court/lawyer fees and other hassles of dealing with a DWI like that. I've been pulled over once and breathalyzed. He had no reason in the first place to pull me over. I was not speeding, showing signs of intoxication nor was I breaking any laws during that entire drive home. I was asked to produce my license and registration and did. He asked me if I knew what I was doing wrong, and I told him I was going to exercise my 5th amendment rights because I knew I hadn't broken any laws. He then told me I wasn't doing anything wrong. If I had said speeding or the likes because I was nervous or something, would he have given me a ticket because of self incrimination? He then told me to step out of the vehicle and told me I can take a breathalyzer test or go to the station and have blood drawn. I took the breathalyzer test and blew a 0.0. I hadn't even had a drink for that past week. He then asked if he could search my truck but I was tired, it was 3AM and I wanted to go home so I told him to get a warrant, because he had no probable cause. I didn't have anything illegal in my truck anyways. I then asked him if I was under arrest, he said no, and I left.
Oh and my friend once got pulled over and ticketed for doing 1MPH over the speed limit in a school zone. How is that fair? Most speedometers in older vehicles aren't accurate all the way down to 1MPH anyways. Try to tell me cops here don't have quotas, because it sure as hell seems like they do.
Quotas make police arrest or write tickets to people who may or may not have been breaking the law.
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The last local agency I work for had performance standards. They were very simple. We had to turn in an average of two pieces of paperwork per day. We could literally get all of our "required" work done for the month in one Friday or Saturday. 100 citations and three DUIs in a month are very low numbers. Typically if there are performance standards, they are set so low that if someone wanted to achieve them within a week they could. Santa Fe is a large town so actually reaching those numbers should be very easy. I would say if the numbers weren't met the officer wasn't doing their job. 100 cites works out to an average of five per night. With a typical traffic stop I could have had that done in two or three stops. Using the example of 61Tbird, just sitting in one spot will get most officers 5-10 tickets to an equal number of people in a given 2-3 hour period. The article clearly states that the officers must average 100 tickets and 3 DWI's per month. That is probably figured from the last evaluation, how ever long that is. The longer the time frame the easier it is to meet standards. From the number of citations needed I would say the area is considered a low crime area. If the officers were going call to call there would be no need to have any standards, they are strictly a reactive agency.
Every job has performance standards. If law enforcement were any different there would be very little proactive stuff done by some officers, yet they would be treated the same as the very proactive officer. In law enforcement the standards are normally set so low that with just a few hours work the standard can be met. Standards for law enforcement are normally in the area of a checkout clerk ringing up one or two customers per shift, a secretary typing two or three memos per day, an electrician wiring one room, or the truck line only building three or four trucks per day. The point is they are so low as to be meaningless. If it is set too high to the point that officers have to struggle to reach them then you will see more fictitious citations being written, and that is a problem.
Every job has performance standards. If law enforcement were any different there would be very little proactive stuff done by some officers, yet they would be treated the same as the very proactive officer. In law enforcement the standards are normally set so low that with just a few hours work the standard can be met. Standards for law enforcement are normally in the area of a checkout clerk ringing up one or two customers per shift, a secretary typing two or three memos per day, an electrician wiring one room, or the truck line only building three or four trucks per day. The point is they are so low as to be meaningless. If it is set too high to the point that officers have to struggle to reach them then you will see more fictitious citations being written, and that is a problem.