Texas Judge comments on ObamaCare
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Uh, we did vote. And we voted the guy in who said public healthcare was one of his top three priorities. We also voted for a bunch in Congress who feel the same way. They won and are now trying to do what we sent them there to do. It's the minority who are kicking and screaming about "death panels"! LOL!
If you don't like it you can always move to another country like Canada...oh, they have socialized healthcare, well, there's always Australia...wait, they have socialized healthcare too. Have you considered Spain? Oh, they have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like Britain better? Ooops, they have socialized healthcare too. France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like New Zealand? Nope, they have socialized healthcare too.
I know, Mexico! Nope, socialized healthcare. How about South Africa? Brazil? Costa Rica? Iceland? Nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. And most of them had socialized medicine before they knew what the word "hippie" meant. So don't blame it on the 60's LOL!
The U.S. has the least socialized healthcare of any developed nation. We also have some of the highest rates of people who die because of medical negligence or an inability to get proper care. So maybe you would like socialized healthcare better, most of the rest of the world does. You don't see them complaining about it. We already have socialized fire protection. Maybe we should privatize that. You didn't pay your fire protection premium? Tough, we just let your house burn down, LOL!
I wonder why it's so hard to find a country that DOESN'T have socialized healthcare. Maybe because we're humans and if we can help another in need, we do our best. There are more important things to worry about than whether it cost you a few bucks to help out another human who can't afford it. If you are healthy and have health insurance you are already paying for all those people with poor health, smokers, alcoholics and junk food junkies anyway.
Good grief! You're just lucky the biggest thing you have to worry about is whether you will be forced to help out another human in need. Who really gives a FF? We're all going to be gone from this place soon enough.
If you don't like it you can always move to another country like Canada...oh, they have socialized healthcare, well, there's always Australia...wait, they have socialized healthcare too. Have you considered Spain? Oh, they have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like Britain better? Ooops, they have socialized healthcare too. France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like New Zealand? Nope, they have socialized healthcare too.
I know, Mexico! Nope, socialized healthcare. How about South Africa? Brazil? Costa Rica? Iceland? Nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. And most of them had socialized medicine before they knew what the word "hippie" meant. So don't blame it on the 60's LOL!
The U.S. has the least socialized healthcare of any developed nation. We also have some of the highest rates of people who die because of medical negligence or an inability to get proper care. So maybe you would like socialized healthcare better, most of the rest of the world does. You don't see them complaining about it. We already have socialized fire protection. Maybe we should privatize that. You didn't pay your fire protection premium? Tough, we just let your house burn down, LOL!
I wonder why it's so hard to find a country that DOESN'T have socialized healthcare. Maybe because we're humans and if we can help another in need, we do our best. There are more important things to worry about than whether it cost you a few bucks to help out another human who can't afford it. If you are healthy and have health insurance you are already paying for all those people with poor health, smokers, alcoholics and junk food junkies anyway.
Good grief! You're just lucky the biggest thing you have to worry about is whether you will be forced to help out another human in need. Who really gives a FF? We're all going to be gone from this place soon enough.
One world government FTW. Founding fathers and Constitution FTL.
It was a good run while it lasted. Bye bye USA.
Freedom? Haaa haaa haa. Who needs freedom?
BTW, do you work for ACORN? Just want to make sure my tax dollars are going to good use. FWIW, my small business will be hiring NO ONE next year. Not that it matters when 17%+ of all American workers are unemployed and 11% of all home mortgages are delinquent.
Good thing my Krugerands are up. Way up. My dollars (and yours)? Not so much.
I weep for my children. They already owe the USA hundreds of thousands of $$$$, and we have not yet had Stimulus II, or National Health Care, or TARP II, or the FHA, FDIC, FNMA and Freddie Mac bailouts.
Marx was right. Capitalism was merely a stepping stone to Socialism.
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Uh, we did vote. And we voted the guy in who said public healthcare was one of his top three priorities. We also voted for a bunch in Congress who feel the same way. They won and are now trying to do what we sent them there to do. It's the minority who are kicking and screaming about "death panels"! LOL!
If you don't like it you can always move to another country like Canada...oh, they have socialized healthcare, well, there's always Australia...wait, they have socialized healthcare too. Have you considered Spain? Oh, they have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like Britain better? Ooops, they have socialized healthcare too. France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like New Zealand? Nope, they have socialized healthcare too.
I know, Mexico! Nope, socialized healthcare. How about South Africa? Brazil? Costa Rica? Iceland? Nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. And most of them had socialized medicine before they knew what the word "hippie" meant. So don't blame it on the 60's LOL!
The U.S. has the least socialized healthcare of any developed nation. We also have some of the highest rates of people who die because of medical negligence or an inability to get proper care. So maybe you would like socialized healthcare better, most of the rest of the world does. You don't see them complaining about it. We already have socialized fire protection. Maybe we should privatize that. You didn't pay your fire protection premium? Tough, we just let your house burn down, LOL!
I wonder why it's so hard to find a country that DOESN'T have socialized healthcare. Maybe because we're humans and if we can help another in need, we do our best. There are more important things to worry about than whether it cost you a few bucks to help out another human who can't afford it. If you are healthy and have health insurance you are already paying for all those people with poor health, smokers, alcoholics and junk food junkies anyway.
Good grief! You're just lucky the biggest thing you have to worry about is whether you will be forced to help out another human in need. Who really gives a FF? We're all going to be gone from this place soon enough.
If you don't like it you can always move to another country like Canada...oh, they have socialized healthcare, well, there's always Australia...wait, they have socialized healthcare too. Have you considered Spain? Oh, they have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like Britain better? Ooops, they have socialized healthcare too. France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. Maybe you would like New Zealand? Nope, they have socialized healthcare too.
I know, Mexico! Nope, socialized healthcare. How about South Africa? Brazil? Costa Rica? Iceland? Nope, they all have socialized healthcare too. And most of them had socialized medicine before they knew what the word "hippie" meant. So don't blame it on the 60's LOL!
The U.S. has the least socialized healthcare of any developed nation. We also have some of the highest rates of people who die because of medical negligence or an inability to get proper care. So maybe you would like socialized healthcare better, most of the rest of the world does. You don't see them complaining about it. We already have socialized fire protection. Maybe we should privatize that. You didn't pay your fire protection premium? Tough, we just let your house burn down, LOL!
I wonder why it's so hard to find a country that DOESN'T have socialized healthcare. Maybe because we're humans and if we can help another in need, we do our best. There are more important things to worry about than whether it cost you a few bucks to help out another human who can't afford it. If you are healthy and have health insurance you are already paying for all those people with poor health, smokers, alcoholics and junk food junkies anyway.
Good grief! You're just lucky the biggest thing you have to worry about is whether you will be forced to help out another human in need. Who really gives a FF? We're all going to be gone from this place soon enough.
I did vote, but it sounds like mine cancelled yours out. haha
Those countries you mention, most of the people living there would give up the family jewels to get the kind of healthcare we have here!
As for helping other people,I do it because I care, not because the government tells me I have to! But I guess in your world it's alright to give free healthcare to some gang-banging doped up looser so he can be covered when he does drive by's or deals. Or maybe some fence jumping illegal (using some body else's social security number) who will never contribute to society!
Hey I know what we could do, how about we make healthy people pay a fine if they don't want to buy health insurance they don't need!!! good one huh bro!!! haha Or maybe we could put them in jail, WOW that's even better!!! haha I have all the confidence the government will do a good job being in charge of my health needs. Just remember ALL the things the government runs so well, does the DMV or Post office or---(you name it) ring any bells? I remember when the IRS took over the mustang ranch in Nevada- they couldn't make a profit,so they had to close it!!! Now think about that for a minute---THEY COULD NOT MAKE A PROFIT WITH A BROTHEL!!!!! That's who you think should be in controll of the medical industry? Shoot maybe we should all just drive Chevy's. hahaha!! COUNT ME OUTTA BOTH OF THOSE! hardi-har-har
This is the greatest country on earth because of our freedom and the more controll the government has,the LESS freedom the people have. THAT'S A FACT JACK
I didn't vote for those bafoons in washington, so remember my vote cancels your vote!! haha
Now in the immortal words of Rodney King---CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!
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That the U.S. healthcare system is somehow better than that in the other developed nations is a fallacy propogated by HMO's and drug companies. It's not supported by the bulk of the statistics.
All this talk about the U.S. going down the tubes because of government playing a larger role is also not supported by the facts. Most developed nations have more taxes and more regulation than the U.S. and yet we are still losing ground in comparison. The U.S. has been damaged by greed and the deregulation mania propogated by corporate leaders and billionaires, that is what brought our economy to it's knees (not too much government interference). Most of those other countries have larger taxes and more regulation and yet we are losing ground. Much of it is due to lack of education and poor reading/math/engineering skills and pure laziness. But it's always easier to blame it on big government as the billionaires (and gullible poor people) like to do even if the facts don't support that.
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Or are you always going to complain that democracy sucks?
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Uh, no. The healthcare in most (but not all) of the countries I named is better than the U.S. whether you measure infection rates, accidental deaths in hospitals, deaths during childbirth, expected lifespans or deaths from people with no access to healthcare. The U.S. healthcare system has a long ways to go to become as effective as it is in most other developed nations.
That the U.S. healthcare system is somehow better than that in the other developed nations is a fallacy propogated by HMO's and drug companies. It's not supported by the bulk of the statistics.
All this talk about the U.S. going down the tubes because of government playing a larger role is also not supported by the facts. Most developed nations have more taxes and more regulation than the U.S. and yet we are still losing ground in comparison. The U.S. has been damaged by greed and the deregulation mania propogated by corporate leaders and billionaires, that is what brought our economy to it's knees (not too much government interference). Most of those other countries have larger taxes and more regulation and yet we are losing ground. Much of it is due to lack of education and poor reading/math/engineering skills and pure laziness. But it's always easier to blame it on big government as the billionaires (and gullible poor people) like to do even if the facts don't support that.
That the U.S. healthcare system is somehow better than that in the other developed nations is a fallacy propogated by HMO's and drug companies. It's not supported by the bulk of the statistics.
All this talk about the U.S. going down the tubes because of government playing a larger role is also not supported by the facts. Most developed nations have more taxes and more regulation than the U.S. and yet we are still losing ground in comparison. The U.S. has been damaged by greed and the deregulation mania propogated by corporate leaders and billionaires, that is what brought our economy to it's knees (not too much government interference). Most of those other countries have larger taxes and more regulation and yet we are losing ground. Much of it is due to lack of education and poor reading/math/engineering skills and pure laziness. But it's always easier to blame it on big government as the billionaires (and gullible poor people) like to do even if the facts don't support that.
Healthcare is rationed and regulated in those countries. It is a lot worse over there than the media plays it out to be. Also, European countries are in debt up to their eyeballs and have been much longer than we have. They do very little for the world when it comes to production, GDP, capital, ect.
The US has not been damaged by greed. It has been damaged by government control. This goes way back to the first great depression. That was caused by government. All the stuff in the 70's was caused by government. The big recession we are in now was caused by government.
The countries in Europe are not ahead of us, they are actually way behind. (or in other words, much further down the path than we are right now but we are catching them)
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I know that is the 1st thing I did was find the arguments against HR3600(?), to see if it got any better.
Don't know what the Senate has for a bill, it is touted as being different, so it could look similar, or nothing like this one. Won't know for sure until it is passed ( hope it is not ).
All I can say, is to have a complaint about something, you really need to know what that something is, not the; "got it from a guy who knows a guy, who is a brother in law of the next door neighbor of the janitor at the building next to the capitol building " type information that seems to be be around this topic.
At a minimum, I do not support the funding of the current bill, as it will really take a toll on the middle class income levels ( last rumor was 40K and above income ) and small businesses ( 250K and up payroll ). If the levels are this low in the current version, it is going to push more into poverty and more small businesses out of business. Only time ( to read the funding section ) will tell if this is true, and if so, what this will do to unemployment and federal aid program enrollments. Could add another 0.25 point to the unemployment numbers. That is pure speculation on my part.
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You can look at this in one of 2 ways. When I left school in 2001 from Mid Western state university, I still owed over 10K in Texas guaranteed student loans and Sally Mae. Now why would you want a job that is capped by the feds when you went to school for over 8 years to get your docterate, and have well over a 100K in loans hanging over your head!!! This is most likely why you have to wait over 8 months to see a doctor or dentist in Canada WTF. I think this could trigger another cold war here in the US just like Clinton and his POS Janet Reno did. I'm all for battle with the f@#'s when the time is right. Let the spineless jelly fish Obama/Clinton loving liberals unite so the rest of the TRUE AMERICAN'S can start over again!!!!. Even Thomas Jefferson said "revolution every 20 to 30 years is good for a country" I guess we're long overdue LOL IMO Obama will not be coming for our ARMS until the last year or so of his term. History always repeats itself. This BILL is only the start of a personal picture/agenda of the Token president!!! Anyone who fancys himself after the biggest criminal in US history Presdient Lincoln. He has made his goals very loud and clear, anyone who would save the country at the possible cost of the country is a true liberal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Taxation without representation, what the hell is going on right now in this country? To all the true copper heads out there I salute you to the rest go back to your country.
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If the vast majority of developed nations out there have socialized medicine; why then do an overwhelming number of the wealthy and powerful from other countries (for example King Hussien of Jordan) choose our country; under its current system; for their health needs?
For the record; I have no problem helping others in need, at least a portion of my income goes towards helping people be it through the church or other means. I DO have a problem being forced to help those who either do not need it because they abuse a system or use it as a crutch so they don't have to become productive. I much prefer to help a person become self sufficient to holding their hand all through life. No one has any right to any of my money for their pocket solely based on the fact we all live in the same country. I'm not saying being charitable is evil but being forced to give to whomever those in power deem fit is in my opinion unconscionable.
Larger government intrusion does not necessarially breed a better lifestyle for everyone. It does breed a better standard of living for the dregs of society as they have no drive or aspirations to do anything for themselves and would rather blame those who take initiative to better themselves for their shortcomings. Socialism goes against the grain of what makes this country great. There is no incentive to being the next Henry Ford or Bill Gates if you have to share your success with that bum over there because its "fair" Remember "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." You cannot have more freedom and more Government the two are mutually exclusive.
For the record; I have no problem helping others in need, at least a portion of my income goes towards helping people be it through the church or other means. I DO have a problem being forced to help those who either do not need it because they abuse a system or use it as a crutch so they don't have to become productive. I much prefer to help a person become self sufficient to holding their hand all through life. No one has any right to any of my money for their pocket solely based on the fact we all live in the same country. I'm not saying being charitable is evil but being forced to give to whomever those in power deem fit is in my opinion unconscionable.
Larger government intrusion does not necessarially breed a better lifestyle for everyone. It does breed a better standard of living for the dregs of society as they have no drive or aspirations to do anything for themselves and would rather blame those who take initiative to better themselves for their shortcomings. Socialism goes against the grain of what makes this country great. There is no incentive to being the next Henry Ford or Bill Gates if you have to share your success with that bum over there because its "fair" Remember "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." You cannot have more freedom and more Government the two are mutually exclusive.
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Larger government intrusion does not necessarially breed a better lifestyle for everyone. It does breed a better standard of living for the dregs of society as they have no drive or aspirations to do anything for themselves and would rather blame those who take initiative to better themselves for their shortcomings. Socialism goes against the grain of what makes this country great. There is no incentive to being the next Henry Ford or Bill Gates if you have to share your success with that bum over there because its "fair".
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Well, I guess that explains why there are so many homeless bums in Europe (free healthcare takes away desire to work and innovate) but U.S. cities are clean and bright with no sign of laziness. Because those Europeans have free healthcare, there is no longer any incentive to work and they are all unemployed bums without any future ambition
Sounds like someone needs to move, you know being here with all these bad big companies,bad healthcare,and under educated children. Maybe Michael Moore will help you find a good place.
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Real...seriously, maybe you should just move to one of those counties with socialized medicine.(hopefully we won't be one) Since you so in favor of it, but just like is being displayed on this site, the large majority of people who can actually vote and are citizens do NOT want this healthcare plan.
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Polls show that 52% of Americans support a public healthcare option and the support for healthcare reform in general is overwhelming. That's why we elected the current crop. It's just the minority who keep trying to poke a stick in the spokes.