I don't know how many people here are paying attention to the health care debate. I know that there are some people who are concerned about where the proposed health care legislation could lead this country.

Here is a voice from the past, from a then private citizen, about what he thought about socialized medicine. This guy is being blamed by many ultra progressives for all of the ills in this country today. I don't know what you will think, but if you've got ten minutes, I think that you will appreciate the common sense this guy applies to this health care debate. He said these words before I was born, but they ring true today.

YouTube-Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

 

I don't understand what everyone is afraid of. Watch sicko. Almost every country takes care of their ill. USA takes care of business. Trillion dollar dept everyone has to pay back someday and personal healthcare coverage on top of that. If you eliminate your personal healthcare costs and add it to taxes your coverage would exclude nothing. Maybe some wait times but no lifetime dept for a simple operation or coverage denied.

 

I pay GOOD Money and work DAMN hard to provide things for my family including insurance from the bad things that can go wrong. All be Damned if my daughter gets sick, I want treament NOW!

GM Stimulus= FAIL, War in IRAQ= FAIL (No disrespect to any armed forces, I say we fail because of the way soldiers are treated now days, we fail you, not soldiers fail us) WelfAre= FAIL, Social Security= FAIL, "No New Taxes"= FAIL, "We must act now to save AIG"= FAIL

Q: What happens if I believe Socialized medicine is a good idea?

A: FAIL

 

The problem is that the gov't doesn't care if you have health coverage or not. Anything the gov't (taxpayers) provides, the gov't can take away.

It's all about controlling your life in the end. And we do NOT have the money to do it. Even if you taxed the rich at 100%.

 

I don't think that socialized medicine is the answer but everyone should be covered either through their employer, a private policy or a government option.

Today those without insurance can't go to primary doctors or walk in care places as they make people pay up front. This for every little thing they show up in emergency rooms and run up bills of $3000 instead of the $150 at the regular doctor. Emergency rooms should be for emergencies only.

Right there we could realize big savings. People are like trucks...they work better when serviced properly. Those without insurance and money get sicker, can't work, require more treatment and cost us all more money.

No government ppgram is perfect but things like social security and Medicare while flawed are the only saviors for many people who need them. It is easy to say pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you are able to so but for those that truly can't, we need some sort of help.

I don't advocate supporting the lazy but you will always have those that abuse good things.

 

So where do you think we went wrong? Hm... Why do we need insurance? Oh yeah because the price of health care is skyrocketing. Why is it skyrocketing? Because the government began filling the bill for those who couldn't pay. So now, doctors jack up their rates (To cover insurance for frivalous lawsuits) because they are getting guaranteed money from John Q. Taxpayer. So in reality, I'm buying insurance for my family AND the people who can't afford it because a GOVERNMENT program has "unforeseen" consequences.

 

I think it's a bit more complicated then that. The price goes up just like everything else in the US goes up. It also goes up because of corporate greed, these same companies are like pulling teeth when trying to get them to help split the bill. Sure million-dollar-lawsuits also play a role, but not as big as the fact that times change, ethics change, and blah blah blah.

I don't fully support the new health care plan because of the hidden bits and pieces, like if you don't have any form of insurance you get a huge fine Also the timing and scale of the plan. Right now when we're in the middle of a recession and right after we gave all those pointless bail outs that should have never happened.

It would be nice if there was a government run insurance company that can compete with all the high dollar one. They could charge less, but you don't receive top notch health care like you do with the more high dollar companies. It should also be a much smaller system, and be far more strict to get into, (extreme poverty stricken families, maybe/maybe not the homeless, no illegal immigrants).

 

You couldn't have said it better! I'll go for socialized medicine when Nobama and Pelosi and Ried and all the rest of the low life politicians get in the same boat with us. I watched as they asked Nobama if his daughter got sick how would he feel about what care he wanted for her. At least one of the only times I've ever seen him answer honestly- he said he'd want the best care for her. Which means "I damn sure don't want that stuff I'm tryin to stick you suckers with". The politicians have the finest medical care money can buy, and the bill is sent to our address, not theirs!

 

Only FOOLS actually believe there is a free lunch. If you're eating one you didn't pay for, someone is paying for one they're not eating. I don't call that "Universal Full Bellies", I call that theft, clear and simple. I don't want you paying my bills and I don't want to pay yours! Everyone wants the good life, they just want someone else to pay for it.

"Sicko" is for Sicko's just like the guy who made it, how anyone who wasn't mentally ill could take that guy or anything he's done seriously, truely concerns me.

 

Well, the beauty of having a free private market is the doctors CAN charge what they want. If you don't want to pay that price, don't go to that doctor. That's why when the government interferes with private market, both sides look like . Let me ask you this, if the government starts requiring that every family must have a hybrid vehicle. What do you think will happen to the price of a hybrid? It will go up.

Now if the gov't says, "every family must own a hybrid and GM, you are not allowed to charge more then $15k for one (To ensure "everybody can afford one") GM will close and say it can't be done.

The less Gov't mettles the better for the economy. Plain and simple. I challenge anyone to name a time the Gov't placed a restriction or policy that benefited the economy.

 

I believe that the reason why doctors, hospitals, and pharm companies have to charge so much is because of excessive lawsuits that go unchecked in the court system. Bring about lawsuit reform, stop the frivolous lawsuits, and watch healthcare become more affordable.

It is not our government's job to provide stuff for its people. Not even healthcare. It is the government's job to ensure that opportunity flourishes (opportunity is what makes USA great!). It is our job to seize it and provide all things for ourselves. It is our job to look out for the members of our family too. When you see a person who is poor (and despite what the libs would like to think, you WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE POOR AMONG YOU), it is a solid reminder of what you will get to live like if you don't work hard, or don't have a family support system. If we continue to behave as if family is unimportant, then more and more of us will believe that the gov't is our family, and they need to care for us when we are down. From there, it is a quick downward spiral.

You can't have it both ways. You can't have plentiful opportunities, and also have socialism. If we had allowed GM to fail, then there would have been an abundance of assets (opportunity) for new, smaller carmakers to rise up out of the rubble. Much like a forest fire. But instead, we poured gajillions of dollars onto them, and now there is no opportunity - just layoffs. There are thousands of firms around the country who make a living out of these "forest fires" - they buy up the assets of failed businesses, and sell them to someone who can strengthen their business with them. Out of those rubbles, many new businesses have been started or strengthened.

Oh, screw it. I don't know why I bother with rants like this. The steam roller is coming. It seems so unpreventable.

 

I just wanted to add another point. Remember "Chicken in every pot, car in every garage" speech. We have thrown billions of dollars at poverty and poverty still THRIVES. Go figure, I guess throwing money at problems doesn't solve them.

"History repeats itself because we weren't listening the first time"

 

Has it ever occurred to you why America has been the greatest country? It is only until recently when we have started the slide to socialism that we have become a weaker nation. We are no longer a strong people that takes care of our own needs. WE look to the government to solve all problems and the government is just not suited for it.

 

And the people that wan't to stand on their own two feat and take care of themselves like responsible adults, have been screaming about it since welfare and medicare but we were all heartless bastards then also.

 

Yes, and just like anything, it evolves and escalates. Once you start down a path, it only increases and speeds up. You don't ever reverse direction until there is a train wreck. So, today, there is an ever increasing number with their hand out, and they now exceed the number of people with a backbone that pay for everything.