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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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Thumbs down Freedom of Speech ?

http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/....63b5bce2.html

Keep in mind Simon Properties Group, which was a big donor to Obama, owns the Concord mall.

They also cancelled the Tea Party earlier this month at Gwinnett Place Mall here in GA. Only giving the organizers 10 days notice.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:17 PM
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Sweet I found out that the local mall here in Indepence, MO is a Simon property.

Now I have a great excuse to completely stay away from that place!!
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 04:06 PM
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I do not like the idea of cancelling a protest or even removing a kiosk that might sell and suppoort opposing viewpoints and material---the Tea Party should go on as planned. However, it is not a violation of one's freedom of speech, as the mall is, in effect, private property, and as such can restrict vendors, solicitors, and such from its property. The mall is not an "open forum."

I wonder if they considered the backlash from this---the negative publicity?

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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 04:49 PM
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Man Frank, you beat me to it. I just read it. I passed by the Mall TWICE today. Had I known this was going on, I'd have stopped by and shown my support today. Guess I wont be shopping there anymore.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by referee54
.... it is not a violation of one's freedom of speech, as the mall is, in effect, private property, and as such can restrict vendors, solicitors, and such from its property. The mall is not an "open forum."
Exactly. You do not have the right to free speech on private property.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Our "freedom" of speech still exsist, for the time being. There are powers that be who are making a concerted effort to minimalize points of view that counter the direction the people in government have chosen to lead this country. They are hoping that thoes of us who oppose what the government is doing get tired of trying to effect how we are represented. That way, they can do what they want, how they want, when they want, and no one will be able to do a damn thing about it.

I'm not sure if people will tire. I sure hope not. I'd hate to see the day that it's been concluded that the hard work and sacrifice so many people, like my grandfather, went through in this countries history was for not.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Norm
Exactly. You do not have the right to free speech on private property.
You know what, you're exactly right.

It's just not good business sense to not renew a money-making lease.

'Freedom of spite' should've been the title of this thread. Or 'Freedom to Lose Money". Yeah, that's even better.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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I think the "Impeach Obama" and Al Qaeda stickers is what got him in trouble with them. It makes him seem unamerican to some. Remember when the Dixie Chicks said they were ashamed of President Bush, same concept.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher
I think the "Impeach Obama" and Al Qaeda stickers is what got him in trouble with them. It makes him seem unamerican to some.
I've been to places here in MA, in VT and in NH that had made fortunes selling anti-Bush, anti-republican paraphernaliaTio . What Frank S has highlighted is a glaring double standard.

It was all good when the liberals were bashing Bush and lambasting the republicans. I can't say that they didn't deserve a lot of what they got. But now, it's a different story. Obama and the democrats are doing as much, probably more harm to our country than the previous administration, but we aren't supposed to criticize.

I'm not sure what would make a person selling "Impeach Obama" stickers seem unAmerican to some. Why was dissent patriotic when it was against the previous administration but now dissent is "unAmerican"?

To me, what is unAmerican, is a complacent populous. We've got a government that isn't hiding the fact that it intends to "remake" America. I guess that's ok to some people, but I personally don't think that generations of hard working people would be ok with a government "remaking" all that they'de worked so hard to build.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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Don't blame me man. Back when the Dixie Chicks made those comments, I was on the anti-Dixie Chicks side just because of the nature of their comments. I don't care who the President is, they deserve respect.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 4.6 Punisher
Don't blame me man. Back when the Dixie Chicks made those comments, I was on the anti-Dixie Chicks side just because of the nature of their comments. I don't care who the President is, they deserve respect.
If memory serves me correctly, people were more angry with the Dixie Chicks because they made the statement about Bush in England, not in the states.

I support their right to say what they want, but I also saw nothing offensive in the bumper stickers that the man was trying to sell.

It's no more offensive than the stickers I see in downtown Atlanta saying,"Bush Lied, People Died." Everyone is entitled to their opinion. as false as it may be.
 
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