http://www.forfreedomssake.com/blog/...nsored-by-epa/

E.P.A. lies, prosperity dies.

 

We are part of the evolution of our planet, and if we produce fluorocarbons, co2 or methane, it is the planets destiny. No group of people will ever change that. They will however, make life as difficult for us as they can. The Dumb asses!

 

Global warming is a cash cow. Too bad global warming doesn't exist and we'll still be paying for it.

 

I still want an unbiased third party who is not affiliated with either political party to prove if global warming is or is not caused by humans, or if global warming even exists. The website you posted is obviously biased towards a certain political party, one that will not be named.

 

They already have, and they say global warming is a sham. More and more accredited scientists are coming around on this. But leave it to the US Government to rely on outdated data. Anything for a buck and to hold us down.

 

Al Gore stands to become a billionaire off of global warming. He is an investor in a company that sells software to companies to keep track of their CO2 credits.

There are plenty of books and articles that are on the web if you just do a google search.

 

I'm not sure why anyone would expect transparency from any appointed position in government. I think it's pretty obvious that there is a concerted effort to disconnect the people from their government. So far, it seems to be working pretty well.

I'm not someone who is interested in arguing whether global warming, or climate change, is real or caused by American humans. I'd rather have a discussion about whether or not it's worth it to spend trillions of tax payer dollars and cripple the US economy to try to affect a change in our weather which is, without question, cyclical.

 

I can admit that there is NO evidence of global warming in NY! It's been a chilly past few months...

 

Exactly.

 

Good point, and another one I would like to add, is even if we move forward with the cap and tax it won’t do much to curb any global warming, if it is even happening. The reason is what is China going to do, or Taiwan, or other growing nations spewing out the evil vapors?

There was an excellent report from the EPA themselves, that has since been shut down and shredded that had some interesting facts. Those facts showed there was NO global warming for the past 10 years, it’s basically flat lined. Since it didn’t fit the extremist of the extreme of the left such as Obama it was shut down, shredded so the public never sees it. This was a report from experts in the EPA, can you believe that, the EPA actually coming out with facts that dispute all things Algore has tried to brainwash the ignorant Americans that believe anything they are spoon feed while drinking the coolaid…

 

Here is another question I would like to throw out there. If there are any statisticians out feel free to jump in here if you wish.

If you are truly trying to determine a trend, any kind of trend like stock market, business, and even temperature trends how much data do you consider sufficient to reach a decent logical conclusion?

Would you say if you had or studied 10% of the available data you could conclude a logical trend? For example, if you took data for the first 37 days (rounded 10% of 365 days) of the year for the stock market could you then determine how the rest of the year would look and how well or not the stock market would perform? If you took data the first 37 days of the year on a business, profits and losses, could you then logically conclude how that company would perform for the rest of the year?

Simple questions and the reason I ask is this:

The earth is approx. 4.54 billion years old, that is 4,540,000,000 years

10% of 4.54 billion years is 454,000,000 years
5% of 4.54 billion years is 227,000,000
1% of 4.54 billion years is 45,400,000 years

I have not seen any data that comes close to 45,400,000 years worth of temperature data for earth, and that is only 1% of earths life. I have worked in management for over 20 years and would NEVER make any business decision based on only 1% of the data, not even 10% of data to be honest.

How many years worth of data do the “global warming” scientists actually have? Well the answer is they don’t they work on models, these same models they have used for a few decades was completely blown away by actual data the past 10 years in the EPA study. Again 10 years is nothing for data but the fact of the matter is there is 10 years worth of data that makes all the current models for “trending” global warming useless.

So, with that being a FACT why is our government so ignorant to rush in and kill hundreds of thousands, millions of jobs for cap and tax. Why is our government so ignorant to rush in and punish the poor and middle class by the largest tax increase in the history of the world? Why is our government so ignorant to rush in and help send millions of jobs and hundreds of companies overseas?

Doesn’t make much sense unless your purposely trying to destroy a country as ALL our elected officials in Washington, led by Obama, are currently doing, democrats and republicans alike, unless they kill it in the Senate…

 

Reminds me of the so called "oil crisis"... there is so much oil in earth, that man will never, ever, use all of it.

 

The only places that get any funding, are those trying to prove global warming. The others are refused and, unfortunately, it's difficult to prove a point when everybody is paying to prove you wrong.

Those are exactly my thoughts. They've maybe studies .0001% of the data, how can they possibly know what cycles the earth does or doesn't go through? What about the other 99.9999% of earth's history?

 

The problem is that data only exists for maybe the past 120 years at most. So there is no way to have the level of data some want. The reality is that we can see and measure pollution levels in the air and water. I kind of like seeing the sun and blue sky. Remember Beijing and the fact that people were wearing masks due to the pollution. I am no tree hugger but I do know that both sides are too extreme. They do have evidence the ice is melting in places that have been frozen for almost ever. Can we change this? Not sure but we should try if we can.

 

Hey, I'm right on board with you. I don't think that we can do a thing about ice melting. Who are we to say that the ice wouldn't have melted if we weren't here? We can do things to make sure that we don't end up like Beijing. We have been doing things for decades and our air quality has been improving. Our water quality has been improving. We can always work to make this a better, cleaner place to live. Spending trillions of our tax dollars, damaging our currently fragile economy, and surrendering our freedom to the government isn't the way to go.

Like the previous posts have highlighted, the data it far to shallow to have conclusive evidence that ice is melting in places that have been frozen "for almost ever". How long is "almost ever"? 120 years?

Don't be fooled into believeing that the government spending this country into debt for generations to come is going to do a thing to save the planet. If you want to make this a better place to live, start at home. Live more efficiently. Make fewer trips in your truck. Turn off lights when your not in a room. Purchase energy efficient products. Buy in bulk instead of using excessive packaging. Buy locally when ever you can. Recycle. It's wrong to expect the tax payers to foot the bill because too many people won't do their part to make this a better place to live.