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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 12:48 AM
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Cop in Cali going to trial

NICE.. Remember on New Years there was a video of a cop shooting a guy in the back while he is laying on his stomach while he is cuffed with 4 other cops around this guy.. Well he is FINALLY getting charged with first degree murder..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/04/...rge/index.html

Maybe now the family will get some closer..


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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 03:42 AM
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I hope they charge the officer who beat a 15 yr old girl that was handcuffed here with assult, but I doubt they will.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 07:26 AM
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Why do you have to start your post off with "NICE?" Sounds like he did something wrong and if so let him stand trial for it.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wade06XLT
Why do you have to start your post off with "NICE?" Sounds like he did something wrong and if so let him stand trial for it.
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I do not see how 1st degree is even applicable in this situation. If you watch the video after the officer discharged his weapon he CLEARLY turns it to the side and looks down at it, afterward he is very emotional.

To me this appears to be an unfortunate mistake made by a rookie officer, he drew his side arm instead of his taser. Was the result horrible, absolutely, does the officer need to be punished, sure....1st degree murder? I don't think so. For the officers sake, I hope he gets solitary confinement, the boys on the inside might not like him very much.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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I do not see how 1st degree is even applicable in this situation. If you watch the video after the officer discharged his weapon he CLEARLY turns it to the side and looks down at it, afterward he is very emotional.

To me this appears to be an unfortunate mistake made by a rookie officer, he drew his side arm instead of his taser. Was the result horrible, absolutely, does the officer need to be punished, sure....1st degree murder? I don't think so. For the officers sake, I hope he gets solitary confinement, the boys on the inside might not like him very much.

The reason I say nice is finally they someone on that side of the law will be held accountable for his actions..

1st degree murder why not? If it was you or I I'm sure we would be charged with it why not him.. He doesn't deserve special treatment...



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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JForestZ34
The reason I say nice is finally they someone on that side of the law will be held accountable for his actions..

1st degree murder why not? If it was you or I I'm sure we would be charged with it why not him.. He doesn't deserve special treatment...
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Isn't 1st degree premeditated? I am not totally up to speed on my law, been out of college too long, but I thought there had to be premeditation prior to the murder?

I certainly do not think this guy showed up to work today thinking he is going to kill someone, certainly he knows it is a possibility, but not like that.

I agree he does not deserve special treatment, however these are unusual circumstances vs. a civilian shooting someone, referencing the mistaken tazer issue. LEO's are punished all the time for crimes they commit, I do not see why you think this is a "rare" instance that an officer is on the other side of the prosecution.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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Isn't 1st degree premeditated? I am not totally up to speed on my law, been out of college too long, but I thought there had to be premeditation prior to the murder?

I certainly do not think this guy showed up to work today thinking he is going to kill someone, certainly he knows it is a possibility, but not like that.

I agree he does not deserve special treatment, however these are unusual circumstances vs. a civilian shooting someone, referencing the mistaken tazer issue. LEO's are punished all the time for crimes they commit, I do not see why you think this is a "rare" instance that an officer is on the other side of the prosecution.

I guess we just see things differently... I am only 34 years old and have NEVER been in trouble with the law for anything but a window ticket and a speeding ticket back in high school. What I'm going through right now in family court and criminal court for a grave misunderstanding and being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. Right now I have no remorse for any of the LEO...

If one gets killed in the line of duty, I feel bad for him and the families don't get me wrong I'm not saying that, but for the bad apples that think they rule the bunch, they deserve everything they get...


Sorry for the little rant but the way I'm being stonewalled this is totally unfair...


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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 06:42 PM
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The very definition of 1st degree murder is pre-meditated. I agree that he should be punished for his wrong doing, accident or not. But 1st degree is way too harsh.

To me in order for him to be found guilty, they would have to prove that he went on that bus intending to kill him, pulled him off, got him on the ground, and shot him. I'm sorry but there is no way that happened.

He may have thought it was a taser or just had too much adrenaline and didn't realize what he was doing or whatever the case may be, I could see manslaughter or MAYBE 2nd degree murder, but 1st degree is seriously reaching for it.

And they wonder why California is in the toilet.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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Brah! i agree 1st degree no way not pre-meditated like TJO5FX4 said. we all have different opinions, if you never been in that circumstances, you will never know! i know first hand been in similar position, emotions runnin' very freakin' high like your standing still while everything is goin' 100 plus miles an hour around you! it's very easy for folks to say "i wound have done this or that". like all those sunday morning couch potato quarterbacks that never played the sport! ALOHA!
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 08:13 PM
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He pulled a gun out and aimed it at the guy. That was no accident. That makes it premeditated and first degree.
If he hadn't had a gun out aimed at the guy, he couldn't have shot the guy.
As stated, if it were any of us, we would be charged 1st degree with no chance of getting it reduced.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ05FX4
The very definition of 1st degree murder is pre-meditated. I agree that he should be punished for his wrong doing, accident or not. But 1st degree is way too harsh.

To me in order for him to be found guilty, they would have to prove that he went on that bus intending to kill him, pulled him off, got him on the ground, and shot him. I'm sorry but there is no way that happened.

He may have thought it was a taser or just had too much adrenaline and didn't realize what he was doing or whatever the case may be, I could see manslaughter or MAYBE 2nd degree murder, but 1st degree is seriously reaching for it.

And they wonder why California is in the toilet.
Premeditated doesn't specify how long ago you had the idea, it just means that you intended to kill. The cop had a deadly weapon drawn and aimed at the fellow. If not, the guy wouldn't have got shot.
If he hadn't intended on using deadly force at all, he wouldn't have drawn his pistol.
Nevermind that the guy was already subdued, this was murder.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 08:25 PM
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No matter how they charge him He simply should not have been a Cop. He doesn't seem to have enough of "the stay cool under pressure trait"
Accident or not, he pulled the trigger.
 
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