House siding!!
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House siding!!
I'm thinking of siding on my house. I would like to here the cheers and jeers of the different types, and also cost factors.
I like the reverse board and bat like now, but of course I'll be going with lapboard. I would like 4", but all I've seen looks like 12". I'd like a source to buy the material, and hire someone to do the work because I know a couple of people that do it. I'd just like to know more going into this project than I know now.
All help is appreciated!
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I like the reverse board and bat like now, but of course I'll be going with lapboard. I would like 4", but all I've seen looks like 12". I'd like a source to buy the material, and hire someone to do the work because I know a couple of people that do it. I'd just like to know more going into this project than I know now.
All help is appreciated!
Let's here it
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ive been hearing about this stuff called "rhino shield" i guess it goes on like vinyl but it has some type of ceramic coating that makes so it NEVER peels,fades cracks etc... according to the ads. i have aluminum siding thats faded bad.. im scared ill get a heart attack after getting a quote ..my house is a 4 decker. i cant kep putting it off though.
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ive been hearing about this stuff called "rhino shield" i guess it goes on like vinyl but it has some type of ceramic coating that makes so it NEVER peels,fades cracks etc... according to the ads. i have aluminum siding thats faded bad.. im scared ill get a heart attack after getting a quote ..my house is a 4 decker. i cant kep putting it off though.
http://www.rhinoshieldin.net/testing_data.html
It seems to be a paint on substance. I'm reading up on it. But I'm thinking more about the lapboard look.
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I recently installed some Hardi board siding. It's made of cement. It was pretty easy to install but the 4 x 8 sheets are heavy. It looks good and is very durable.They have lap, panel, trim
Link
http://lowes.jameshardie.com/map/default.htm
I dropped a sheet of it on my toes at Home Depot. I was wearing tennis shoes. I wanted roll up in ball holding my foot and cry like a baby. I sat down on a stack of sheet rock took a little break.
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http://lowes.jameshardie.com/map/default.htm
I dropped a sheet of it on my toes at Home Depot. I was wearing tennis shoes. I wanted roll up in ball holding my foot and cry like a baby. I sat down on a stack of sheet rock took a little break.
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I had read about the temperature of installation.
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Couple of things about Rhinoshield I didn't like after reading their website. YOU cannot apply it. Only an approved applicator can. What happens if you damage it? Who can fix it and how much will it cost? It says it is an elastomeric coating. These are not new by any means but they have major problems. They are thick and they are soft. As their info says, it goes on 5-6 times thicker than paint. That would be true but it makes it prone to damage. Are you aware that should you later decide to repaint, it has to come off? While they may will tell you that you can just paint over it with any quality latex paint, I'll tell you first hand that it will peel in a heartbeat. It makes a lousy substrate to repaint over because of the differences in expansion and contraction, and the surface does not provide for good adhesion of the top coat. If you just want an elastomeric paint, Sherwin Williams makes a dandy one and you can apply it yourself. Figure a gallon about every 50 sq ft.
Too bad you don't have a brick lug on the house. Brick would be the best choice. Hardi-plank siding is a cementious product but it's heavy. It has some advantages as it does not rot. But you still have to paint it and it cannot be used as the primary drain plane. So if you have any visions of removing what you have and installing it, you'll have to make the the substrate the drain plane and make double sure on the corners with something like Moistop. Felt makes a lousy drian plane as it deteriorates over time. But if you get past all of that, it can make a good looking siding that will last a long time. You do have to paint it though and I would suggest the first painting to be a minimum 2 dry film, unthinned coats applied with a brush. Spray dry film latex paint equals about .50mil, a roller dry film is about 1.0mil, and a brush dry film is about 1.5 mils. So three coats of spray on paint equals one coat of brush on- remember I said that. Yeah, I used to make paint at one time in my diverse life. Frankly, unless you are just tired of looking at what you have or it is rotting, I'd just repaint it with a quality paint. ALWAYS use a full gloss paint on the exterior. Avoid the flat or stain finishes. The gloss will hold color longer, look fresher longer, stay clean longer. Make sure to take yer time and do the prep work. Prep work is the important job of any exterior finish.
Dry film- what is left after the water evaporates out of the paint.
Can I leave the room now?
Too bad you don't have a brick lug on the house. Brick would be the best choice. Hardi-plank siding is a cementious product but it's heavy. It has some advantages as it does not rot. But you still have to paint it and it cannot be used as the primary drain plane. So if you have any visions of removing what you have and installing it, you'll have to make the the substrate the drain plane and make double sure on the corners with something like Moistop. Felt makes a lousy drian plane as it deteriorates over time. But if you get past all of that, it can make a good looking siding that will last a long time. You do have to paint it though and I would suggest the first painting to be a minimum 2 dry film, unthinned coats applied with a brush. Spray dry film latex paint equals about .50mil, a roller dry film is about 1.0mil, and a brush dry film is about 1.5 mils. So three coats of spray on paint equals one coat of brush on- remember I said that. Yeah, I used to make paint at one time in my diverse life. Frankly, unless you are just tired of looking at what you have or it is rotting, I'd just repaint it with a quality paint. ALWAYS use a full gloss paint on the exterior. Avoid the flat or stain finishes. The gloss will hold color longer, look fresher longer, stay clean longer. Make sure to take yer time and do the prep work. Prep work is the important job of any exterior finish.
Dry film- what is left after the water evaporates out of the paint.
Can I leave the room now?
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I recently installed some Hardi board siding. It's made of cement. It was pretty easy to install but the 4 x 8 sheets are heavy. It looks good and is very durable.They have lap, panel, trim
Link
http://lowes.jameshardie.com/map/default.htm
I dropped a sheet of it on my toes at Home Depot. I was wearing tennis shoes. I wanted roll up in ball holding my foot and cry like a baby. I sat down on a stack of sheet rock took a little break.
Link
http://lowes.jameshardie.com/map/default.htm
I dropped a sheet of it on my toes at Home Depot. I was wearing tennis shoes. I wanted roll up in ball holding my foot and cry like a baby. I sat down on a stack of sheet rock took a little break.
Thanks!
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Couple of things about Rhinoshield I didn't like after reading their website. YOU cannot apply it. Only an approved applicator can. What happens if you damage it? Who can fix it and how much will it cost? It says it is an elastomeric coating. These are not new by any means but they have major problems. They are thick and they are soft. As their info says, it goes on 5-6 times thicker than paint. That would be true but it makes it prone to damage. Are you aware that should you later decide to repaint, it has to come off? While they may will tell you that you can just paint over it with any quality latex paint, I'll tell you first hand that it will peel in a heartbeat. It makes a lousy substrate to repaint over because of the differences in expansion and contraction, and the surface does not provide for good adhesion of the top coat. If you just want an elastomeric paint, Sherwin Williams makes a dandy one and you can apply it yourself. Figure a gallon about every 50 sq ft.
Too bad you don't have a brick lug on the house. Brick would be the best choice. Hardi-plank siding is a cementious product but it's heavy. It has some advantages as it does not rot. But you still have to paint it and it cannot be used as the primary drain plane. So if you have any visions of removing what you have and installing it, you'll have to make the the substrate the drain plane and make double sure on the corners with something like Moistop. Felt makes a lousy drian plane as it deteriorates over time. But if you get past all of that, it can make a good looking siding that will last a long time. You do have to paint it though and I would suggest the first painting to be a minimum 2 dry film, unthinned coats applied with a brush. Spray dry film latex paint equals about .50mil, a roller dry film is about 1.0mil, and a brush dry film is about 1.5 mils. So three coats of spray on paint equals one coat of brush on- remember I said that. Yeah, I used to make paint at one time in my diverse life. Frankly, unless you are just tired of looking at what you have or it is rotting, I'd just repaint it with a quality paint. ALWAYS use a full gloss paint on the exterior. Avoid the flat or stain finishes. The gloss will hold color longer, look fresher longer, stay clean longer. Make sure to take yer time and do the prep work. Prep work is the important job of any exterior finish.
Dry film- what is left after the water evaporates out of the paint.
Can I leave the room now?
Too bad you don't have a brick lug on the house. Brick would be the best choice. Hardi-plank siding is a cementious product but it's heavy. It has some advantages as it does not rot. But you still have to paint it and it cannot be used as the primary drain plane. So if you have any visions of removing what you have and installing it, you'll have to make the the substrate the drain plane and make double sure on the corners with something like Moistop. Felt makes a lousy drian plane as it deteriorates over time. But if you get past all of that, it can make a good looking siding that will last a long time. You do have to paint it though and I would suggest the first painting to be a minimum 2 dry film, unthinned coats applied with a brush. Spray dry film latex paint equals about .50mil, a roller dry film is about 1.0mil, and a brush dry film is about 1.5 mils. So three coats of spray on paint equals one coat of brush on- remember I said that. Yeah, I used to make paint at one time in my diverse life. Frankly, unless you are just tired of looking at what you have or it is rotting, I'd just repaint it with a quality paint. ALWAYS use a full gloss paint on the exterior. Avoid the flat or stain finishes. The gloss will hold color longer, look fresher longer, stay clean longer. Make sure to take yer time and do the prep work. Prep work is the important job of any exterior finish.
Dry film- what is left after the water evaporates out of the paint.
Can I leave the room now?
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I recently installed some Hardi board siding. It's made of cement. It was pretty easy to install but the 4 x 8 sheets are heavy. It looks good and is very durable.They have lap, panel, trim
Link
http://lowes.jameshardie.com/map/default.htm
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http://lowes.jameshardie.com/map/default.htm
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I am doing 6" exposed siding, but they have the board for doing bat & board. I stuck with the AL sofits, but they also make vented sofit material as well.
The replacement is due to the leading edge of a tornado that trashed the AL siding on the house.
Hardi board has a higher wind speed, and should not dent like AL or Vinyl siding. Also, no sag like vinyl can, depending on the make, and exposure.
The stuff is not as easy to install, you actually use electric shears to cut it, vs a saw blade.
It comes prefinished, no need to paint it. You order the color you want the corner boards and siding to be.
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The colored cementious products will have a warranty on the finish and it's usually not a good one. For Hardiplank siding, the premium golden boy of the cementious products, their Colorplus finish is 15 years against cracks, peeling, or chips. It does not cover fading or looking like baby crap. Here's the warranty:
http://www.jameshardiecolorplus.com/..._colorplus.pdf
What ever you decide to put on the house, make sure to read and understand the warranty. It's not what they tell you that you need to beware, it's what they don't tell you. While I understand repainting is a headache, if the job is done right and a good quality paint is used, the paint will last a lot longer than the Hardi finish warranty. If you've been having it done and they used a spray rig, there's yer problem. A good brush applied paint film will last 15+ years easily today.
http://www.jameshardiecolorplus.com/..._colorplus.pdf
What ever you decide to put on the house, make sure to read and understand the warranty. It's not what they tell you that you need to beware, it's what they don't tell you. While I understand repainting is a headache, if the job is done right and a good quality paint is used, the paint will last a lot longer than the Hardi finish warranty. If you've been having it done and they used a spray rig, there's yer problem. A good brush applied paint film will last 15+ years easily today.
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OK, so you have said it had to be painted, and now your opinion is on what it does not cover.
Looking at the URL you provided, section #3 does not say what you are saying.
Don't know where you get this, but on the installs that had warranty claims for fading, they supply the color match paint. Your end on it is the labor to paint it.
I don't know where you get a good brush applied finish will last 15 years, my cedar siding brush applied Pittsburgh latex stain needs to be done every 5 years, else it starts to look bad.
Looking at the URL you provided, section #3 does not say what you are saying.
Don't know where you get this, but on the installs that had warranty claims for fading, they supply the color match paint. Your end on it is the labor to paint it.
I don't know where you get a good brush applied finish will last 15 years, my cedar siding brush applied Pittsburgh latex stain needs to be done every 5 years, else it starts to look bad.