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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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I'm still dredging through all of this muck... Was there anything in this 'plan' about a tax credit for a home purchase (not the first time home buyer $7500 credit)?

We just put an offer down on a house (like an hour ago).
I haven't been able to find specifics, but I have heard a tax credit of 15k thrown around as well as interest rates around 4%. The report I heard said it was not specific to "first time" homebuyers.

Who knows what will end up in the compromised bill. It's a big wait and see.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockpick
I'm still dredging through all of this muck... Was there anything in this 'plan' about a tax credit for a home purchase (not the first time home buyer $7500 credit)?

We just put an offer down on a house (like an hour ago).
The plan was to extend the first time buyer credit to anyone purchasing a home this year.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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Well, dangit... I'm trying to stimulate the economy. The builder has until 12p on Wed to respond to our offer. Maybe I'll know more about what 'CHANGE' is coming my way...
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockpick
Well, dangit... I'm trying to stimulate the economy. The builder has until 12p on Wed to respond to our offer. Maybe I'll know more about what 'CHANGE' is coming my way...
The language I keep seeing is the credit will be available for one year AFTER the stimulus package goes into effect. I'm sure that means your closing date, but I'd hate to see you miss out on the advantage.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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So, you think that - if we were to close in 45 days and the Obama plan had not yet taken effect - we'd miss out?
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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The taliban may not control Afghanistan like they did pre-2001, but they still operate there and exert a lot of control over the people, people that would like to cooperate with us and want stability. So yes, the correct target was always Afghanistan, to get rid of Al-Queda, the Taliban and stabilize the country. Can it be done? I don't know, but it's the correct fight.

It's time to realize there is no "War On Terror" any more than there was a "War On Drugs". If the Taliban was not in control of Afghanistan in 2001, i.e "the government", legitimate or not, why did the U.S. recognize them as such and demand Bin Laden from them? There are countries that don't recognize Israel, it doesn't mean they aren't a nation.

So yes, until we can be sure that we haven't left a breeding ground for terrorism like we did in the early nineties, we have a legitimate reason to be there.
Can you show me somewhere that documents that the US recognized the Taliban as a diplomatic government? I can't find that.

How many countries don't recognize diplomaticly, Isreal? As many as recognized the Taliban as the Afghan government?

Will ridding Afghanistan of al Qaeda end al Qaeda? Can the Taliban be eliminated?

If Afghanistan now has a legitimate government, why are we sending our troops when it's Afghanistan that is once again being invaded by the Taliban?

It was terroristst that perpetrated attacks on our homeland on September 11, 2001, was it not? We aren't at war with Afghanistan because it wasn't Afghanistan that attacked us. We aren't at war with Iraq, because they didn't attack us either. We are at war with elements with in these countries, and any country that harbors terrorists elements. I don't know what you call it but war against terrorists seems fitting to me. I know, people like you would rather wait untill terrorists kill a bunch of us before we confront them. It might be the nice way to do things but exactly how "nice" is dead?

I think that there a lot of people in this country that are target fixating. Do you know what typically happens when you target fixate? I'd rather our country not fixate on Afghanistan. It cound end up having "typical" results.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockpick
I'm still dredging through all of this muck... Was there anything in this 'plan' about a tax credit for a home purchase (not the first time home buyer $7500 credit)?

We just put an offer down on a house (like an hour ago).
The $15,000 tax credit can be taken over one year or spread over two years
The $15,000 tax credit doesn’t have to be repaid
The $15,000 tax credit will apply for anyone who buys a home - not just first time home buyers
The $15,000 tax credit is a credit - not a deduction: meaning you will get the full $15,000
The $15,000 tax credit is the lesser of $15,000 or 10% of the purchase price of the home
The $15,000 tax credit will be allowed for homes that are bought within one year of when the bill is passed


WASHINGTON – The Senate voted Wednesday night to give a tax break of up to $15,000 to homebuyers in hopes of revitalizing the housing industry, a victory for Republicans eager to leave their mark on a mammoth economic stimulus bill at the heart of President Barack Obama's recovery plan.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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Thanks, Drew. Can you cite your source, please? THANKS!!
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockpick
Thanks, Drew. Can you cite your source, please? THANKS!!
How many do you need?

http://www.zillow.com/blog/mortgage/...t-mean-to-you/

http://www.zillow.com/blog/mortgage/...eryones-minds/
 
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Old Feb 9, 2009 | 10:58 PM
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I've been reading about it.. just curious where you snagged those snipits...

Thanks, sir!
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:33 AM
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Can you show me somewhere that documents that the US recognized the Taliban as a diplomatic government? I can't find that.
Can you show me documents where we recognize anyone as a diplomatic or official government? Do we have little certificates we award governments? If that's your criteria, maybe Tony Blair wasn't PM because I can't find any official documents where we name him so. If the Taliban was not in control, why was Unicol negotiating with them to build a pipeline. If they weren't in power, why did President Bush make demands of them and threaten to invade Afghanistan if they were not met?

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How many countries don't recognize diplomaticly, Isreal? As many as recognized the Taliban as the Afghan government?
No, what's the difference? fact is, the taliban ran Afghanistan.

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If Afghanistan now has a legitimate government, why are we sending our troops when it's Afghanistan that is once again being invaded by the Taliban?

It was terroristst that perpetrated attacks on our homeland on September 11, 2001, was it not? We aren't at war with Afghanistan because it wasn't Afghanistan that attacked us. We aren't at war with Iraq, because they didn't attack us either. We are at war with elements with in these countries, and any country that harbors terrorists elements.
So, you don't think we should send troops to Afghanistan because the new legitimate government exists, and the country is being invaded by the Taliban, but then say it's OK that we are fighting elements in Iraq and Afghanistan? Afghanistan is not being invaded by the Taliban, the Taliban is already there and the Afghani government and people are not capable of controlling them, that's why we are there.

I'm not wasting any more time debating the definition of the legitimate government. You're simply deflecting from the conversation.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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I'm not wasting any more time debating the definition of the legitimate government. You're simply deflecting from the conversation.
Thank you! Wittom got busted and now he's trying to weazel out of it.

The Taliban was the Active Government in Afghanistan, give me a break. They were helping and Aiding Osama Bin Laden Himself and letting Al Quada train there. We went in and over threw them, and they Deserved it! This is silly.

Even George Bush Recognized the Taliban as the leading government and planned to over throw them:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5AC0A9679C8B63

We're there now because the Taliban is threatening to take over the Country AGAIN. So Wittom, you think we should allow this?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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I don't mind a debate but, let's not turn it into a bash session. Remember, debating means arguing a point; not bashing an individual.

Everything's cool here so far... just want to make sure that we all don't have a giant game of hopscotch and go way over the line...
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockpick
I've been reading about it.. just curious where you snagged those snipits...

Thanks, sir!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090210/...gress_stimulus
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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Can you show me documents where we recognize anyone as a diplomatic or official government?
Can I show you documents? Why would you ask me that? If you read what I said, what I asked you was to show me somewhere that documents that the US recognized the Taliban as a diplomatic government. I didn't ask you for a document. A link to a web site that covered it as a news story would be some one who documented that the US recognized the Taliban as the Afghan government. All that you and BHibbs say is well and good but it doesn't change the fact that only the three countries that I listed ever recognized the Taliban as the legitimate Afghan government. That is the point that I've been making and it doesn't matter how you slice it, that fact doesn't change.



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No, what's the difference? fact is, the taliban ran Afghanistan.
I guess your right. There really is no difference. Of almost two hundred countries, three recognized the Taliban as a legitimate government. Of thoes nearly two hundred countries, thirty four do not recognize Israel as a legitimate government. No difference.

The Taliban may have run Afghanistan from '96 to '01, but I have not found anyone who has documented that the US ever recognized them as the legitimate government.


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So, you don't think we should send troops to Afghanistan because the new legitimate government exists, and the country is being invaded by the Taliban, but then say it's OK that we are fighting elements in Iraq and Afghanistan? Afghanistan is not being invaded by the Taliban, the Taliban is already there and the Afghani government and people are not capable of controlling them, that's why we are there.
If you read what I said, you would see that I didn't say that I didn't think that we should send more troops into Afghanistan. What I said is that we aren't at war with Afghanistan, which I believe you and BHibbs agree, but that we are at war with elements within Afghanistan. Don't we agree on that? The Taliban are infact invading Afghanistan. They took over control of the country and are trying to do so again. I know why we are there and have supported our efforts in that country all along. I also support our efforts on what ever front necessary to keep terrorists from attacking us, or our interests, again. Hence, the War on Terror.

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I'm not wasting any more time debating the definition of the legitimate government. You're simply deflecting from the conversation.
I'm not so sure why you've continued to "debate" if you feel that you're wasting your time. I'm simply stating the facts as I see them. You and BHibbs are trying to tell me that I'm uneducated and that I should learn something about what I'm talking about. In defense, I'm just pointing our where you are overlooking the facts that I'm presenting. It's not deflecting. Just read what we've said. It's all there.

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We're there now because the Taliban is threatening to take over the Country AGAIN. So Wittom, you think we should allow this?
You tell me that I need to educate myself, but you apparently don't take the time to read and understand what a simple person like me has said? Practice what you preach.

Of the two links that you posted, the closest thing to Bush accepting the Taliban as a legitimate government was the NYT calling them the Afghan government.
 
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