You have had multiple replies about the relevance of your post. You even got a reply from someone who is a Factory Trained technician... do you realise that Mechanics don't go to a University? Have you seen any of the Wyoming Tech commercials? Mechanics at dealerships go to tech school and then match with auto manufacturers, but you don't seem to understand that.

Are you putting a Bachelors degree in Science up against a tech degree with manufacturer back training in a forum about manufacturer service. Surely you are kidding. Don't get your panties in a wad because you posted something that you didn't research well enough.

Why are we supposed to take your word that this lengthy retort at face value over someone with experience in the field? That would be like taking Al Gore's word on Global Warming over a scientists.

Sure seems like here lately we've been getting a bunch of people calling everyone else "know it alls" when they themselves seem to be afflicted.

 

I never expected anyone to take my word for what I posted. Hell I was even unsure how good of a source it was. Did u notice the question marks in my first post? I have no problem with people pointing out errors or untrue statments in something I posted. I even stated that I hadn't even remotely read much of it and that everyone can come to their own conclusion. Its just when idiots who think they are all high and mighty come in and start trying to make people feel stupid that I get fired up. And yes I realize that mechanics a lot of times dont get their certifications from Universities, Hell my friend graduated from Wyotech, so I would say that I am aware of how it works.
Maybe the fact that lately this site has been getting a bunch of people calling everyone know-it-alls is a sign that the way people are replying to others is bull****...not the other way around. I like the wealth of information on this site but I have noticed that there is quite a population of people who feel like they have the right to talk down to others.
The only reason I brought my education into this is because Mr. Patman felt the need to tell me about his like he was going to make me look stupid or something. I was by no means comparing a Bachelor's Degree to a Tech school certificate, they are obviously on two different levels. He felt the need to try and rub the fact that he went to a community college in my face, and that somehow makes him better than me? I'm no pushover and I'll be damned to have some a-hole think he can talk to me like Im some inexperienced little kid. Like I said before I feel no need to tell people about myself or my credentials but he felt the need to tell me about his so I played his game.
Here's a bit of advice for you, dont let someone's post count fool you into thinking they are all high and mighty and better than someone like myself who has less than 100 posts. Its one thing to be experienced in your trade but its another to be a complete **** about it.

 

 

just so you know, on here the people with the high post counts are the ones that i will listen to.
1 it means they have been on here long enough to learn/teach
2 it means they havent p^ssed anyone off to get them banned
3 they actually help in the engines, trans, exhaust forums, etc.

i'm going to a tech school right now, and yea you probably know more than me in certain things no dought but i've taught plenty of smarter people how to do some things to there vehicles and other things. if i didnt already know how to do most work to vehicles then i would definately choose the dealer to work on my vehicle. what happens when you own a high dollar vehicle? how many mechanics actually work on a mercedes? and even better how many actually fix it? just think about it.

plus your guarunteed to have the work requested done when you go to a dealership. i've known a mechanic for 8 years and he always screws people. my dads shop doesnt do alignments yet so a buddy of mine took his car to the guys shop for strut replacement and an alignment. guess what he got. a 400 dollar bill with an alignment and the new struts still in the trunk and all the mechanic says is that, that mechanic doesnt work here anymore.

oh and just so you know a mechanic is a parts changer where a technician, which is what the dealership has, actually diagnoses a problem before changing a part.

 

I personally don't care what a persons post count is as it means nothing to me. I listen to everyone's advice regardless of post counts and and surprised that this is important to some people here?

I guess post counts here are like feedback numbers on Ebay?

I guess what I am saying is just because the poster is new does not mean they are not knowledgeable..

 

Thank you! this is my point exactly!

 

yea i was just saying, everyone over in the engines forum with high post counts are members that have alot of experience and have learned alot on here. like me, i've learned more from here than high school taught me. but yea pretty much everyone in there knows what they're doing. i was pretty much saying that the post count does tell you something about that member.

 

I see where u are coming from, I really do. But my point isnt that I wont listen to people who have a high post count. My point is that some take that for granted and feel it gives them the right to talk down to people as some have seen on here and other threads. I had no intention to question tech schools and their ability to churn out quality mechanics. Without a boubt there are things u know more about than me in the automotive world and as u stated vise versa. My one and only point is not to come on here with a fat head because you have a ton of posts and a tech school education and think u can talk down to everybody and that u are smarter than everyone else. Because believe it or not, even though I didn't go to tech school, I know a bit about vehicles myself.

And your comments comparing dealerships to indi mechanics can be argued against both ways. There are good and bad in both genres. I have come across quite a few capable and honest indi mechanics and quite a few shady dealerships. Finding a good indi mechanic is like finding a good dealership. There are indi mechanics who specialize in certain makes of vehicles just as a dealership does, but without the corporate price tag. A technician by your definition can be found more places than just a dealership

 

Again this is true on occasion, but there are a lot of people out there that run up their post count by BSing all the time, so to say that due to a hihg post count they always know their stuff is not always true. You don't have to be active on a forun to know what u are talking about, so a "noob" can be just as knowledgeable, or more, as any member with a high post count. Post count doesnt always tell you about a member. You can have a high post count and know your ****, you can have a high post count, know your ****, and be an asshoel about it all the time, or you can have a high post count and not know **** at all. And in a lot of the cases I have seen that its usually the latter two of the three possibilities.

Im not attacking anyone personally here. Im just standing up for myself against someone who I believe was being a **** for no apparent reason.

 

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Okay, I've had some time to read through this thing in detail. I think if you take into account the average consumer is an idiot when comes to cars in general, it's an alright book. Reading his oversimplified blurb makes my head hurt for the most part, but then again I've been working on cars for about 13 years now so I ain't the target audience for this thing.

This caught my attention:

Pg. 42-43:

It is the service advisor's responsibility to answer the customer's questions to the best of his/her ability. There ain't no additional charge for that. Service advisor is a lousy gig, with a lot of flak from all sides; honestly, good service advisors are prepared for that and deal with it. It comes with the territory. Charging someone extra, er, excuse me, "padding" the repair bill just because of a nosy customer? Negative Ghostrider. The customer should use their best judgment, of course, no one likes to be asked elevenity billion questions, but still, charging someone extra for that? Come on.

Additionally, in a perfect world, there's a senior technician or a shop foreman that answers the customer's questions in regards to what's going on with their car, while the advisor handles business as usual. The customer may be spending a lot of their hard earned money with a shop for repairs, and no one likes to see their car in a billion pieces. As far as I'm concerned, the customer has every right to ask any question they want, and I'll answer any question I can for them...within reason.

Oh, and for what it's worth, he left out a lot of dirty little secrets that apply to everyone in the automotive business. Not harmful, thieving stuff, but little trade secrets that no one outside of the business knows. I don't think it's so much "What your mechanic (ugh, I hate that word, just me being ****) doesn't want you to know," more like "What's already common knowledge to anyone with half a brain and the internet in extremely simplified terms."

And for that, I thank him.

 

[QUOTE=700hauler;3575856]yes there are good and bad dealerships. some try to screw you and others dont. but if you have seen some of the clearances inside the new modular ford engines you would know why you would much rather have the dealership do a rebuild. and alot of indipendent shops will up the price if you wanted a reman because they dont always want to replace the 5.4 3v engine. where the dealer will leave the price alone. and yes a tech can be found at a dealer and an indipendent shop but at least you know whos working on your vehicle at the dealership. plus dealers are properly equipped for every job. there are vehicles that require 200 dollars woth of special tools for a single job which alot of shops(near me) will charge the customer for the tools plus the job. i'm not saying the dealer is the best place to go to because most of my dads customers go to him for everything. but most near my home are cool and the techs really know there sh^t if you ever got talking to them. when i brought my truck in for the cc recall they even let me watch them work because they arent afraid that they're gonna screw up. but either way some shops are good and some arent and the same goes to the dealers.


p.s. i hate typing this much

 

Someone who gets what i was getting at!

 

haha. this is such a BS thread. we should talk about steak here to.

i love my steak cooked like this:


and usually get a side like this:


o ya and this thread is:

 

^^ looks like a deformed chocolate brownie. I'd eat it. Just sayin'...