Do you remember asking this question? You got your answer, but it didn't seem to really answer what you meant to ask I guess. You can't see it, so I'll tell you... I'm just shaking my head right now. Where is the shaking head in disbelief smiley?

 

What is it you're looking for? I thanked the man for the article, I'm satisfied that there is a fork lift operator making way more than the job is worth (I even said so). Can you admit that they don't all make that, that UAW forklift job is not an 85k job?

 

Holy crap... you guy's have been going at this all day!

 

I never said all forklift drivers made that. My point was that there are some that make that. You asked in a previous post about the statement of one making 85k.... "Show me that guy."

You were "shown" that guy then turned it into a rant about not all guys making that after not believing the original link. That's all.

The fork lift driver is really just a metaphor of the blatant over pay of SOME union workers. Hopefully the restructuring can help rectify such examples of pay not in line with the job performed. If these things continue the Big 3 absolutely deserve to go out of business; esp since we know the average salary of a fork lift driver is a quarter what "Oscar" was making a year.

 

ROFL, its all silly.

B3 got the bailout. Gov't conditions including owning corporate stock.

Goodbye Capitalism, Heellllllo Communism!

 

Slow day at work

And I said thank you for showing me that guy. Sorry I took the words as they were stated and not as a metaphor. Does it matter that there are non-union guys getting paid more than their job is worth? You still only comment that UAW workers are the reason the big three have problems, and everything you post hits or exaggerates that. I'm sorry, you make comments like the 85 thousand dollar fork lift man to imply that everyone in the UAW is overpaid, that simply isn't true.

 

Overpaid or not, give 1 good reason Unions exist today?????

 

Not going to bother with the rest of your.... comment. But this, this was one of the funniest things I have read all day. Do you live your life with a blindfold on ? Why would someone bust there *** to produce 100 parts a day, when the guy next to em, getting paid the same, only produces 20 ?? Where is the incentive ? I am sure you think Cal Trans guys are all hard working folk too. City workers bust there chops, huh ? You'll gladly pay more for american, but you can clearly see, your not in the majority. Its not working. Something needs to change, and this communist/social idea of government being mommy and daddy and bailing out these irresponsible companies, who are literally running themselves right into the ground it complete BS, and against everything we stand for as America. **** poor management = more money from government ? I guess it makes sense, government isn't managed any better these days....

The true-ist thing I have read through out this BS thread. Unions and health care is what is ruining this country as we know it. No more personal accountability, we have Unions !!

The unions were great tools back in the day, when they were needed. But like someone said, "change is good" and any union is simply an out dated, corrupt, money sucking, crook. They cause crappier products to be produced, and lazier people to prosper. Its BS.

Anyways, loved the letter, right up until he said we would turn back to god, and reffered to it as a good thing. Thats the LAST thing we need to do, going backwards in our thinking will simply slow us down, and stop further advancement. We need change, but not the kind we will be getting anytime soon, unless drastic action is taken. We are FUBAR. And its sad.

 

Because without them, you'll be back to working conditions of a hundred years ago, if you;re not familiar with them, get some books.

You could show me something to back up the statement. If you want to blindly believe some rhetoric filled letter, be my guest, I'd like to see a little evidence. Maybe I've seen too many made-up facts from the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh to fall for anything without some proof.


They wouldn't where did I say they would?

Some do, you may like to make an example of a few, but that doesn't make them all like that. I mean hell, auto mechanics aren't geniuses, so they are obviously overpaid. I've known quite a few that screw most every customer that comes through the door, I guess that makes them all bad people.


Yeah, and that's a problem. Personal greed, but you keep buying a foreign made product because it saves you a couple of bucks while you want top dollar for your job. I'm sure we can find some immigrant willing to do your job for less money, and work harder for the lesser pay check. We'll see how you feel then.

Can't argue with that. We're spending days arguing about the auto bail out while the banks that got bailouts are giving out BILLIONS in Christmas bonuses. I know we'll keep hearing the Democrats did it, but both bailouts were spearheaded by our Republican president, in fact this given one by him, without Congress.

 

I'm glad there are others that think some of these comments are rediculous. I was starting to think I was just piling it on Momalle1 and maybe being a little unfair.

 

Not much faith in the populous, huh? Last I recall, non union shops that had unfair labor practices are reprimanded on many levels. Be it OSHA, that ensures safe working conditions. Title VII, which protects your rights as an individual. Or simply the american populous providing their own checks and balances. More so, if an employer is unjust, then there is the option to seek employment elsewhere.

So by your same logic, if got rid of NAACP and ACLU we would go back to owning slaves??? We could go back to beating our wives with items no bigger round than our thumbs,... legally???

I work in a right to work state. I work for a non unionized industry. And yet day after day I really have no doubts that my employers are doing their best to keep me safe, secure, and adequately paid.

 

Did the NAACP or ACLU come to be to fight slavery? You obviously know nothing about history. The only reason your non-union shop has any rights, the only reason groups like OSHA exist is because of the labor activists that fought for it, the same people that created unions. Those people were fought by conservatives every step of the way.

How come your right to work state doesn't offer American manufacturers the same incentives they offer foreign manufacturers?

 

Yes those groups were created after the fact. But they still enforce equality, Like you say Unions enforce fair labor.

OSHA may exist because of labor activist, and thats all good and fine. But now that its created, buh bye useless union.

Incentives for foreign manufacturers? WTF? More union propaganda? No such thing, pumpkin.

Anyway,

 

Are you unaware of the incentives right-to-work states have given foreign automakers, cupcake?

This is just one. There are dozens like this, but I can't find one for American automakers. Just think, you could have American auto manufacturing without the UAW, then again, conservatives would have to find something else to blame for their problems.

 

Perfectly acceptable to me.

More and more people are buying foriegn. Why not at least get the benefit of the car being built stateside so you can employee some worthy workers in a non union shop. Sure you can pay said employees less than a UAW employee. However at the end of the year, when their performance exceeds the good ole UAW, give them a $6k raise instead of a couple hundred dollars to their total takehome exceeds that of the UAW.

Do you not see the benefit of bringing foreign automakers' manufacturing facilities stateside?

Hmmm, whats more beneficial?

Hundreds of Germans building a mercedes to be sold in the US, or hundreds of americans?