Again, i think people are confused on the true deffinition of an assualt rifle.

 

9 out of 10 at 500 yds in a real world shooting scenario.... I'll call BS. And he never said double tap, he said follow-up shot. Like that 1 in 10 times you miss. Additionally he said semi-auto, not 3 round burst which is fully automatic.

 

3 round burst doesnt make a gun an automatic, the M-16's that we shoot are considered semi automatic and they have the 3 round burst option

 

Sorry to tell you this, but the M-16's with 3 round burst are considered fully automatic. According to federal regulations, an "automatic" weapon is any weapon that fires more than one round when the trigger is pulled. Semi-auto only fires one round each time the trigger is pulled and released. This is why AR-15 are able to be bought and sold regularly, while in order to purchase a M-16 (even with just the 3 round burst) a Federal Class 3 firearms license is required.

Additionally, for those of you that claim that a semi-auto weapon can be "easily" converted to fully-auto, you are also wrong. The parts needed to perform the conversion would have to be made, or have the license to purchase them. Additionally, it requires extensive knowledge of the workings of the trigger mechanisms. Even the standard soldiers and marines are not allowed to disassemble or work on the trigger mechanisms (at least not for my 8 years in the military). Its not like you can just "shave a pin" or some minor work, it is very involved and not easily done.

I saw a study that showed over 4000 weapons confiscated from criminals that were "assault rifles" , around 100 of those were fully automatic and only 10 of those were done so by illegally modifying a semi-automatic version.

 

9 out of 10 in a scenario comparative to you hunting a deer. You, stationary... deer, stationary (or very slowly moving... click, boom, drop. Every Marine is trained and required to hit from the 500. IIRC they're now ranging at 700. Call BS all you like.

A follow-up shot is very similar to a double tap. You do a follow up to ensure your prey is dead, I do adouble tap to ensure my "prey" is dead.

Also, 3 round burst is NOT fully auto. M16A1's had single and full auto. M16A2's have single and 3 round burst. Fact.

The man who coined the term "assault rifle" also said, "What matters is not what is true, but what is believed." - Adolf Hitler

 

My turn to call BS. I've seen, in the Corps for "field survival demo" a standard issue M16A2 turned fully auto merely utilizing the file of a Gerber. Extensive workings you speak of, merely require the common sense to file down the correct part.

And again, fully auto were the A1's. The A2's are not full auto.

Mind if I ask what branch and MOS you were in?

 

I'm not debating what the M16's have. I've shot both A1's and A2's. What I am saying is according to the federal government 3 round burst, or even 2 round burst would be and is considered fully automatic. I believe the official definition is "any firearm which shoots, or is designed to shoot, more than one shot at a time with a single trigger pull, without manual reloading".

Sorry, but you are still wrong about the M16A2 being an automatic weapon.

I know you Marines are required to shoot at 500. But, shooting at 500 on the range and shooting at 500 on a deer are 2 different things. I said real world shooting scenario's, while includes a lot more than just setting up on a standing still target. But that doesn't matter, I'm not going to get in a pissing match. You say you can do it, fine. I'll believe it when I see it.

BTW... earlier you said
But now you claim to "double tap" all your animals. Which is it?

 

In the eyes of the ATF, if a weapon fires more than one time with a single pull of the trigger, it's considered a machine gun. Whether it's one, two, three, four, elevenity round burst.

 

I said "prey"... not animals. Any good law enforcement officer, or anyone who's seen combat knows to double tap. ESPECIALLY in a close quarters situation.

There's a difference, regardless of how miniature.

 

2 branches.. Army Combat Engineer and Navy Submariner.

Also, I'm talking about taking an AR-15 to fully-auto. Or for that matter a semi-auto AK-47, or uzi. The trigger mechanisms are completely different. Now the trigger mechanism in an A2 vs. A1 is essentially the same and it is easy to convert to "fully automatic". So I agree with what you said, but it was a counter-point to a point I was not making.

 

Full auto assault rifle

 

Fair enough. And I do know to double tap, in the Navy I was part of our security force for the sub. I got quite a bit of training from both Blackwater Security Forces and Seals. It was fun trying to clear a building with those guys in it, even if they did kick our asses.

 

In the eyes of the military, 3 round burst is still a semi-automatic weapon, i dont care what the ATF says. I shoot/carry a M16A2 Semi auto rifle.

 

We are talking about civilian weapons, not military so it really doesn't matter what the military considers them as it matters what law enforcement considers them.

 

With all due respect, since we're discussing the civilian ownership of select fire weapons, I don't think the military's say-so really holds any water in this discussion.

More than one round downrange per trigger pull = machine gun according to the ATF. Period.