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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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I'll be clear about something. I'm not gay, nor have I ever been, but if I was, I wouldn't be ashamed of it.
Now you tell me
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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I feel that the sex of a person and the color of a persons skin is who they are, therefore it would be to discriminate if they were not allowed equal rights. Homosexuality is a behavior, the United States can not regulate your behavior if it does not break the law, but to bring this behavior into the light and make it acceptable is wrong.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by scott1981
I feel that the sex of a person and the color of a persons skin is who they are, therefore it would be to discriminate if they were not allowed equal rights. Homosexuality is a behavior, the United States can not regulate your behavior if it does not break the law, but to bring this behavior into the light and make it acceptable is wrong.
Funny, your conservative predecessors used to use the same exact arguments against interracial marriage. You lost then because you made no sense, and you'll lose again. Gays getting married has no affect on you or the morality of society. You guys really need to get over your holier than thou attitude.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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Marriage is a contract in the eyes of government. Preventing people from entering into a contract because of some arbitrary law is inherently wrong.
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Social views and laws aren't the same, they dont have to be and sometimes they definitely shouldnt be the same.

So why can't you marry your cousin or your niece?
 

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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Funny, your conservative predecessors used to use the same exact arguments against interracial marriage. You lost then because you made no sense, and you'll lose again. Gays getting married has no affect on you or the morality of society. You guys really need to get over your holier than thou attitude.
I believe the Bible, I also believe that homosexuality is a sin. I never once said I was better than Gays, I simply said it is wrong and should not be condoned by the Govt. in the form of legal marriages.

I know that my religious preference is the reason for me viewing this as I do and few will agree, but this is a discussion forum and since we hardly see eye to eye I figured one more opinion would not hurt.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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Government does _not_ exist to perpetuate arbitrary morals, it exists to protect us from REAL threats. Arbitrary morals are the same things that keep women covered up, kept women from voting, etc.

People need to be judged from the most objective perspective possible. This means that government must refrain from persecuting specific groups.

Behavior is a broad term, and behavior is not inherently bad. Inherently bad behavior might include the act of murder. Indifferent behavior includes eating, washing your face in the morning, and choosing who to have sex with.




In some states you can

And again, its against social norm to marry within your family (in modern day US) ... but we do it to our pets all the time. Pure breeds of dog are all just cousins/brothers/sisters/parents/whatever. Incest was also OK in the context of royal families.
It's a good thing you were not there to instruct the writers of the constitution.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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So why can't you marry your cousin or your niece?
You can be wed to your second cousin in all states and in about half of the states you can wed your first cousin.

http://marriage.about.com/cs/marriag...s/a/cousin.htm
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
Government does _not_ exist to perpetuate arbitrary morals, it exists to protect us from REAL threats. Arbitrary morals are the same things that keep women covered up, kept women from voting, etc.

People need to be judged from the most objective perspective possible. This means that government must refrain from persecuting specific groups.

Behavior is a broad term, and behavior is not inherently bad. Inherently bad behavior might include the act of murder. Indifferent behavior includes eating, washing your face in the morning, and choosing who to have sex with.
The court system everyday perpetuates arbitrary morals. Your argument is that moral restraints are wrong, it scares me to think what a society would be like without moral constraints.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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I feel that the sex of a person and the color of a persons skin is who they are, therefore it would be to discriminate if they were not allowed equal rights. Homosexuality is a behavior, the United States can not regulate your behavior if it does not break the law, but to bring this behavior into the light and make it acceptable is wrong.
Heterosexual courtship is also a behavior. Being homosexual in the United States is not illegal just as being heterosexual is not. To discriminate against one segment of the population without legal justification (aka Laws) is still discrimination. To deprive same sex marriages acknowledgment and eligibilities for benefits afforded heterosexual marriages by the federal government is tantamount to government sanctioned discrimination.

Pass laws making homosexual activity illegal and I will agree with not allowing same sex marriages the entitlement to the same benefits as heterosexual marriages. Until then, the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution applies.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Oxlander
Heterosexual courtship is also a behavior. Being homosexual in the United States is not illegal just as being heterosexual is not. To discriminate against one segment of the population without legal justification (aka Laws) is still discrimination. To deprive same sex marriages acknowledgment and eligibilities for benefits afforded heterosexual marriages by the federal government is tantamount to government sanctioned discrimination.

Pass laws making homosexual activity illegal and I will agree with not allowing same sex marriages the entitlement to the same benefits as heterosexual marriages. Until then, the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution applies.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Murder is a behavior. Drug use is a behavior. steeling is a behavior. Not using your turn signal is a behavior. speeding is a behavior. hitting your wife is a behavior. rape is a behavior. Is that discrimination? Your agrument is stupid. Standards need to be kept for a society to survive. There has to be a line drawn. It is wrong to make the gay lifestyle normal. It is wrong for gays to marry. hetrosexual courtship is normal. In the animal world, scientific world, and spiritual world.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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I believe the Bible, I also believe that homosexuality is a sin. I never once said I was better than Gays, I simply said it is wrong and should not be condoned by the Govt. in the form of legal marriages.
And that's quite fine, though there are those who also believe in the Bible and follow Christ who do not agree with you, either way, it's fine for you to believe it is a sin, it is not OK for you to legislate it. Allowing it is not condoning it. Again, these are the same arguments used against inter-racial marriage. Do you think that is a sin?

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I know that my religious preference is the reason for me viewing this as I do and few will agree, but this is a discussion forum and since we hardly see eye to eye I figured one more opinion would not hurt.
Not at all Scott, and I think more would agree with you than you feel.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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Murder, stealing (lrn2speel), assault
steeling.. I was talking about sharpening knives. And hence your attacks on my spelling shows you have no good argument for the subject at hand. Always a dead givaway.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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Guessing? That means you don't know the answer.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
I destroyed your argument and happened to point out your ignorance.

Completely ignoring my response is a sign that either (A) you can't read; or (B) I'm right.

I'm guessing both A & B.
You destroyed my argument? how so? Your wrong.. plain and simple. Using simple logic. You should try it some time. BTW... you can try out your gag reflex all you want for all I care... just don't push it in the publics face and try to make it normal. K?
 

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
Homosexuality is older than the USA, it is definitely normal, just more rare in our society, but still more.
It is definitely not normal. Take religion, personal feelings and morality out of it. Just look at it biologically. Men and women fit together like puzzles. We are biologically meant to go together. It is simple.
Just because it is accepted by many does not make it normal.
My opinion (not based on any research etc.) is that homosexuality is a form of mental illness.
I will not go further because I do not want to offend. We need to be more accepting of each others differences. The world would be a better place. None of us is perfect.
 
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