While I believe that at it's roots the progressive movement had good intentions, and has done some good things for this country, it's modern day configuration seems to have gone far, too far, to the left. There are a lot of people in this country who call themselves progressive. There is a market for a progressive political candidate.

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Socialism seems like the next step from progressivism. I'm not sure that progressives intend to reach that point. I'd think that they wouldn't.

At face value, socialism might seem like a good idea. We could take away some of what seperates us in this country. We could eleiminate the classes and have things fair for everyone. Is that what we want though? Do we all what to have the same amount as everyone else?

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Obama is a progressive? I believe that he would consider himself one. What about a socialist though? A lot of people say that he will turn our country into a socialist country. Is that really possible?

I don't know about the credibility of these sites but there is some informantion to ponder.

Politically Drunk On Power-Web Archives Confirm Barak Obama Was A Member Of Socialist "New Party" In 1996

American Thinker-Archives prove Obama was a New Party member

Am I just making a mountain out of a mole hill with this one or is this a legitimate concern?

What do you think?

 

its a legitimate concern for me. but i am sure the mainstream media will not report it so dont worry about anyone else being concerned about it.

 

It's not Obama alone we have to worry about. We have the Senate, Congress, and Supreme Court Jugdes playing into the equation. If the dems control all of this who will stand up for Conservative values on issues. It sure would help Obama change things he wants with that kind of support from Dems.

 

exactly. for one party to have total domination over everything is not good, no matter which party it is.

 

GW is talking about the government buying and operating banks and you guys are trying to link progressiveness with socialism. Unbelievable. Funny how you **** and moan about every Democrat that's ever lived, all the while claiming you really don't like McCain, but miss this story.

 

For crying out loud.. don't you hear us? Don't you understand? Is it really THAT hard? Conservatives don't care too much about Bush.. especially when he talks socialism like the government buying banks. Conservatives don't like the talk about amnesty for illegal aliens. Conservatives don't like the bail out of the government sponsored companies like Fannie and Freddie. Conservatives don't like Bush trying to get along with liberals in the congress. Just like his dad did.. look what it got him. No, we don't like McCain. We are not voting for McCain. We are voting against obama and his progressive socialist ideas. And yes, progressive IS socialism. There is no two ways about it. The question should be, why do you like socialism? You need to be taken to task about that. No one missed a story here. We saw it... we cringed Fact is, Bush and McCain except for the war is right up liberals alley. The war is the only thing keeping you from liking either one of those clowns. I WANT CONSERVATISM!

 

So how come you're not whining about what Bush is doing right now? If he buys them, it won't matter who gets elected, because we will already own them! Yeah, you cringed but couldn't bring yourself to say anything because Bush has an R next to his name, you can't criticize McCain for his ties to G Gordon Liddy, because he has an R next to his name. You whine about a couple of videos of kids singing about Obama (you'll be glad to know the teacher in charge of the militant kids was suspended today and will probably be fired, rightfully so), but don't care about McCain supporters shouting kill him, off with his head, among other things, because McCain has an R next to his name.

You could be right, we should stop progressive stuff like the space program, military technology, telecommunications, all that progressive stuff sucks, why don't you just admit it, it's that T word you really hate.

 

Every time I read one of your post I lose more hope for America. The fact that more people like you are out there and are able to vote scares me.

Words can hardly begin to explain the warped, liberal thought patterns you have.

 

Has anyone considered how the powers of the Patriot Act could be used in the wrong hands? I think there is plenty of room there for abuse by the wrong people. It's a little scary to me, when a personal tongue and cheek discusuion could be used against you should the need arise. It could be considered a police state by the government's right to monitor you at everything you do.

 

I know we have disagreed about ideas in the past, but I have to agree wholeheartedly with you on this one. Everyone talks of this, saying, "If you have done nothing wrong..." Search and seizure could be tossed out the window...

I don't give a rat's furry behind about the argument that they are listening to certain phone calls. The FB-Fricking I has already admitted to breeches of conduct and rules violations in this regard.

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It all depends on what is right and what is wrong. THe leadership could change the rules of the game quickly. THey have all the cards

 

Dude.. you need a reality check. Progressive in the context that the liberals are putting it is NOT the space program (democrats against) military technology (liberals are against the military) telecommunications (the libs want to regulate a ball bearing rolling down the street). Your totally missing what the left calls progressive. They didn't like the label liberal. Now they are taking on a new label. It is progressive. Code word for socialism. Again I ask you.... what is so good about socialism? BTW.. it has nothing to do with the "R" in front of anyones name. Bush is in his last months. I see no point in bashing the lib. I am looking ahead. Got a problem with that?

 

I will say this, the American election is a hell of alot more entertaining than our boring Canadian election.......

Good thing we make good beer here.

 

I think the Massachusetts in you is showing through.

I think there is something you don't understand about a lot of the people on this forum that don't trust Obama. Bush isn't on the ballot this time around. We could complain about Bush, but it's counterproductive and the liberals have cornered that market.

I've written several times on this forum that I don't regret my vote in '04. I didn't untill the pork laden bail out bill passed. I got over, but didn't forget, illegal immigration. That bill didn't pass. This bail out bill takes the cake and has brought me to a point where I have no use for Bush. He sold this country out. There has got to be some inside stuff for him to push so hard to get this bill passed. He was and is WRONG on what this country needs to remedy the financial crisis. What we needed was accountability. People needed to pay the price for all the short sightedness that went on FOR YEARS! I'm prepared to hunker down and ride out the suffering. We all should. This bail out isn't going to change a thing. People will continue to be careless and shortsighted. they will continue to make poor decisions and we will suffer the consequences eventually.

Buying banks is SOCIALISM. We don't need it here.

Bush isn't running so I choose not to rant about him. I'm sorry that you are upset that that is absent. If you want to hear Bush bashing, tune into MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC, PBS, NPR, FOX, CSPAN, Air America, Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, Opra, Bruce Springstein, Inside Hollywood, anything related to Hollywood, Huffington Post, MoveOn.org, Dailykos, ThinkProgress, MTV, the Obama campaign, the Patrick administration, the Massachusetts state legislature, ect, ect,...

If we are already headed down the road to socialism, WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE ELECT SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF A SOCIALIST MOVEMENT???

I know that you, like I, would like to make this and (R) vs. (D) debate. It's gone beyond that though. This time McCain is the progressive and Obama is the socialist. Odds aren't all that great for the rest of us out here in America. In this election it just so happeneds that the (R) is the one who isn't a socialist. I don't want him to pay for peoples homes WITH OUR MONEY! But I really don't want a form of nationalized health care. I don't want to see the redistrabution of wealth, from people who have earned to people who haven't. I don't want to see tax dollars pay for auto companies to retool so that they can manufacture products that we will be forced, via government regulation, to buy. I don't want to see tax dollars spent to try to fix our planet, when there is a distinct possibility that it isn't even broken. I don't want our tax dollars to pay for college for every young person when generations of young people before them had to work to find ways to pay for it themselves. I don't want to see a NEW New Deal that will have good intentions but will inevitably completely bankrupt this county and we would see a '30s type depression.

The more that we hear about Obama's actions and associations, the more I believe that we're about to let the fox into the hen house. If that happends there wont be any turning back.

We are so close to discounting a couple hundred years of time that it took to make this country the greatest in the world. There isn't an effort to continue what our forefathers have created. Obama is the fast track to selling our country short.

I truely believe that an Obama presidency with a democrat lead congress will mold our country to resemble some european countries. It wouldn't take long before the United States of America blends in with the rest of the world. That will open the door for a sucsessor. Another superpower. We will become insignificant. We'll become expendable.

 

Maybe i fell asleep in civics but I dont remember the president have absolute power. Sure they can start have stupid ideas and get things rolling but there isnt anything huge that the president can do on his own without the support of congress and the senate.

I personally think most of the guys in all 3 spots are corrupt and have their own personal agenda and are looking out for themselves. The biggest problem in politics is far too many people chose a party and have absolute loyalty to whoever is from that party and refuse to open their eyes that their own party is just as screwed up as the other one. Who even invented parties? Why do we not have a system that works for whats best for th epeople and not whats best for their party. It's so counterproductive. It ends up whichever group is in the majority gets their way.

Is it possible that one group or the other has all the right ideas and makes the best decisions? No, so why in the world do most votes go along party lines? Some things that seem cut and dry dont get votes that reflect that solely because of the fact that others dotn want to vote for the other party.

It's ridiculous to me how this party system even began to exist. They chose peopel who will get the most votes and hardly ever the person most qualified for the job. I dont even want to get started on the lobby system which is basically bribing...