Did you read the post and links about Raines. They met and talked a couple of times. You said, "Raines works for the Obama Campaign as Chief Economic Advisor."
That is a lie.
The Rezko exaggeration. Read the link please.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...e_problem.html

I could do the same for most of the names you bring up as bad associations.
I could also do the same for some of Mccains associations and people working for him over the years he has served as a senator and currently on his campaign.

Personally I think they are both grimy liars but I don't prop up one and ignore the other to support a party line.

 

I didn't approve of my words quoted out of context. I used your quotes as payback.
I never harbored any ill will in our idea exchanges. I can also accept that some find my ideas and opinions from my life's experiences hard to understand...even got called a racist for the first time in my life... There is also no regret in anything I have posted in this forum because I speak most days from from what I know from personal experiences and observations in many situations over many years from the heart. It has never been my intent to offend anyone and I was trying to give my insight as to how and why Black folk do what they do and say the things they say. To understand does not mean agree but it seems I was guilty anyway.
Maybe one day (probably 15 more generations) when all of us and our bad ideas are long dead and gone race will no longer be an issue. Many deny it but it still is today for both blacks and whites.

I laughed when you posted my quote and said how racist my statement was and it was so ironic that in the same thread/post you pretty much did the same and then some. The real irony was that you should have expected some sort of response for quoting me which is exactly what I said in the quote you were using.

First I say,
Then your response was,
Then later you say,

You gotta admit it was funny as hell. Yes?



Peace and Respect!

 

Shines, I know we don't agree on a few things, but that right there was very well written. It really bothers me that I'm here complimenting you, because I'm fairly certain it will swell your already fat head, but good job just the same.


As far as the N-word, I understand where you're coming from, and I'm not even going to say you're wrong.
For me, as a 42 year old white guy, maybe I've matured some over the years (perhaps mature is not the correct word)

let's just say my perspective of the world changed, as my knowledge increased, and what I may have considered funny 10 years ago, while out fishing with the boys, isn't funny to me anymore.

I'm speaking of the N-word of course.

I would say that my personal evolution has even surprised me because I think it's wrong to use that word in any context and situation.
The word to me only conjures up images of hatred, disrespect and disdain.

Maybe different people have different definitions of what it means to them, but I have too much respect for myself to use that word, even in a joking manner.

I prefer to use the term "dumb biatch" when in a name calliong mood, because that can apply to EVERYONE.


Anyway, sorry for the hijack.

 

No, the point is, like your pal Rush, while what you say about Obama may be true, you only tell half the story making it look like only Obama has some bad ties, that's dishonest at best. Almost as liberal as me That's funny, then again, some think anyone left of Strom Thurman is a liberal, those of us that actually understand civics know better. You don't trust McCain and he's too liberal, but you go to great lengths to make him look good, that's almost unbelievable. And you're asking if I'm thick, that's another good one black knight.

 

I'm sickened by all of the biases and BS, not just conservative, it just so happens that what you see here is primarily conservative. Maybe? I honestly that both sides have a lot of good to add to society and our nation, the bias, lies and smearing are only a detriment.

Of course it does. I could link almost any national level politician to someone seedy. There's very few at that level I would have sit down at my dinner table. I don't recall ever defending Obama, I only remember correcting lies and pointing out what should be obvious. You may have to excuse me, but I have a hard time sitting idly by as the a person doing 50 through a city complains about another guy running a red light. Clean up your own back yard.

Again, no different than the seedy folks working for McCain. So far, it's not the worst, let's hope it stays that way.

Will they hold positions? I hadn't really thought about it, but I really don't know. Again, I think you should check your speed before you complain about the guy running the stop sign. I've said it before, and still believe it, if we hold our own groups to the same standards we hold our opponents, we only better ourselves.

I'm working on two nights in a row of three hours sleep, so maybe I'm getting fuzzy, but I'm not clear on this question. What is not in the best interest of the guys in our forum?

Good points BTW, excellent conversation, I could disagree, I mean discuss, all day like this

 

LOL you see me as propping up mccain? Nonsense. I am doing all I can to keep obama out. My disdain for him is boundless. My disdain for mccain is slightly less.

 

Exactly!

 

YOU WIN!!! and Touche', well played

 

 

Win what?
A bunch of insults and negative feelings?
I was just trying to have an honest discussion.

Now,
Lets go start a new thread on race relations...
I still have questions.