Any life long Dems not voting for Obama?

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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 04:26 AM
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I'm a registered Democrat,
I want a candidate who will turn this country back into what it used to be
Why would you wish that on yourself?


Originally Posted by Lumadar
Sad but true as Drew mentions, a lot of blacks will not be voting for Obama, even if they want to. Granted, I truly have zero pity for them (or the white idiots) who knowingly broke the law and yielded their right (ie: it wasn't taken away, they GAVE it away).

Maybe this election will prove to be a strong source of direction and an eye opener (for blacks) to realize that they need (SOME, obviously) to start making changes in their personal lives so they can help themselves come election time. One can only hope, even as a republican I would hope that they do, regardless of the fact that most blacks vote democrat.
An eye opener for blacks, not some blacks, but all blacks, some obviously more than others?
 

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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 04:47 AM
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An eye opener for blacks, not some blacks, but all blacks, some obviously more than others?
I was trying to convey that there is a portion of the black American population that tends to follow trends, and exclude itself from taking part in elections. Obviously then, by deductive logic that means there is also a portion of the population that does NOT have that problem, and therefor they do not need the "eye opening" experience.

In other words, I'm stating that not ALL blacks need to see the light in terms of changing their ways, but there is a sub sect of that population that certainly does.

I was trying to AVOID stereotypes...
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 04:50 AM
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And I think they are just telling us what we want to hear and then will do what ever they please once in office. Just like most Presidents.
Hard claim to make when McCain has a track record of going AGAINST the Republican party and reaching across the isle (Something that makes it hard to get elected sometimes) and more importantly, and most recently also went out on a LONG, THIN limb to support his beliefs in the need for the surge, despite the obvious fact that it was an unpopular choice at the time.

Basically, it goes directly against the claim that McCain is telling us what we want to hear when he has YEARS of proven track records showing that he does what he believes is right, regardless of whether or not it is politically popular...
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Lumadar
I was trying to convey that there is a portion of the black American population that tends to follow trends, and exclude itself from taking part in elections. Obviously then, by deductive logic that means there is also a portion of the population that does NOT have that problem, and therefor they do not need the "eye opening" experience.

In other words, I'm stating that not ALL blacks need to see the light in terms of changing their ways, but there is a sub sect of that population that certainly does.
I was trying to AVOID stereotypes...
You didn't try very hard did you?
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Lumadar
In other words, I'm stating that not ALL blacks need to see the light in terms of changing their ways, but there is a sub sect of that population that certainly does.

I was trying to AVOID stereotypes...
There are plenty of apathetic whites that never vote also thus the always low voter turnout.
Last election was it something like 25 or 30% voted for pres? Numbers are always low but for a time in the past blacks were so excited to have the right to vote they usually turned out in numbers higher than whites.
Over the years many things have gone backwards from what it used to be.
Guess it's this progress everyone tells me I fail to see.

Originally Posted by Lumadar
Hard claim to make when McCain has a track record of going AGAINST the Republican party and reaching across the isle (Something that makes it hard to get elected sometimes) and more importantly, and most recently also went out on a LONG, THIN limb to support his beliefs in the need for the surge, despite the obvious fact that it was an unpopular choice at the time.
everybody spins Mccain is no different. This confusion about the surge in a place we never should have been in the first place....there were several reasons why violence went down...we even paid them not to fight us... Even military commanders say over and over and over and over about surge.

Republicans run on one thing and do another just like the Democrats.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by anaheim_drew
You didn't try very hard did you?
It can be hard to do when the stereotype has *some* basis behind it
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 06:03 PM
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It's not stereotyping if you're merely pointing out a trend!
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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I still dont understand hillary voters either that say if not hillary, mccain not obama.

this is a dead simple answer they are hoping that if they vote McCain in, it will only be 4 years until the sisterhood of the traveling pantsuit gets another chance.

if obama mama gets in it is almost automatic that he will get the nomination for a second term and the hillites will have to wait 8 years
 

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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 09:04 PM
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this is a dead simple answer they are hoping that if they vote McCain in, it will only be 4 years until the sisterhood of the traveling pantsuit gets another chance.

if obama mama gets in it is almost automatic that he will get the nomination for a second term and the hillites will have to wait 8 years
- Couldn't agree more.
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by anaheim_drew
15-18% of white voters said they will never vote for a black person
12% of the population might be black but less than 50% of the total black population is eligible to vote

I will admit that this chart even in its basic form, made me take a serious look at how each of the candidates tax plans will effect my family budget.



My wife and son are everything to me and based on that, we come out much better with McCain's plan.
But if we were just starting out in life in the bottom 3 group of taxpayers Obamas plan would benefit us more
Good chart. Just make sure to balance it with this one.

http://www.ntu.org/main/page_printable.php?PageID=6

Remember, we all mock the stories where a 9 year old is punished for performing too well in little league. Yet we applaud when a 40 year old is punished for doing well in his/her career?!?
 
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Old Sep 4, 2008 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AAlmeter
Good chart. Just make sure to balance it with this one.

http://www.ntu.org/main/page_printable.php?PageID=6

Remember, we all mock the stories where a 9 year old is punished for performing too well in little league. Yet we applaud when a 40 year old is punished for doing well in his/her career?!?
I do not applaud when a 40 year old is punished for doing well in his career I aspire to do the same or better
 
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Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by po1911
I do not applaud when a 40 year old is punished for doing well in his career I aspire to do the same or better
As it should be.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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