Mother and Daughter can't afford meat... sad sad sad
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After reading their stories, I can say one thing---they lack what I call "life skills." What I mean by that is that they cannot grasp the things that you and I take for granted---living within a budget, handling life's problems, dealing with adversity---many of these people cannot do that---and they have to get help from other people (which doesn't make it right.) I have seen this in the classroom, too--- I call it the "professional victim". They always have some sort of crisis and their day is only normal if something abnormal is happening. If there is no crisis, they often create one. You all can probably remember one from your own school days---the kid that was always missing a gym shoe, or always needed something to complete the assignment--and they would swear that it was just there a moment ago...
A couple of points---not to excuse them---but some of you folks call for them to use the buses--Fostoria is out in the middle of nowheresville and I doubt that buses run...however, that being said, they need to learn to rely upon THEMSELVES TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS---not just hand them over to other people and say, "Well, We have this mess, what can you do about it for me?
One problem that I believe in strongly is that we have created a class of people that are so very used to having other people do stuff for them---solve problems, arange for trnsportation, etc...that the money being spent does not actually solve the problems, it ENABLES PEOPLE. SOmehow, smeway, we have to get it through to these people that it IS THEIR LIVES, THEIR ISSUES, and THEIR DILEMMAS. Someone can give them some advice, but, in the end, they cannot be constantly bailed out---"Life skills" means ACCOUNTABILITY.
It is hard, I know, for most of us to understand this, because crap happens to all of us on a daily basis and we handle it...some, though, for some reason, cannot...fewer restaurants? Adapt, find work elsewhere---don't just blame the situation, deal with it.
A couple of points---not to excuse them---but some of you folks call for them to use the buses--Fostoria is out in the middle of nowheresville and I doubt that buses run...however, that being said, they need to learn to rely upon THEMSELVES TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS---not just hand them over to other people and say, "Well, We have this mess, what can you do about it for me?
One problem that I believe in strongly is that we have created a class of people that are so very used to having other people do stuff for them---solve problems, arange for trnsportation, etc...that the money being spent does not actually solve the problems, it ENABLES PEOPLE. SOmehow, smeway, we have to get it through to these people that it IS THEIR LIVES, THEIR ISSUES, and THEIR DILEMMAS. Someone can give them some advice, but, in the end, they cannot be constantly bailed out---"Life skills" means ACCOUNTABILITY.
It is hard, I know, for most of us to understand this, because crap happens to all of us on a daily basis and we handle it...some, though, for some reason, cannot...fewer restaurants? Adapt, find work elsewhere---don't just blame the situation, deal with it.
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After reading their stories, I can say one thing---they lack what I call "life skills." What I mean by that is that they cannot grasp the things that you and I take for granted---living within a budget, handling life's problems, dealing with adversity---many of these people cannot do that---and they have to get help from other people (which doesn't make it right.) I have seen this in the classroom, too--- I call it the "professional victim". They always have some sort of crisis and their day is only normal if something abnormal is happening. If there is no crisis, they often create one.
A couple of points---not to excuse them---but some of you folks callf or them to use the buses--Fostoria is out in the middle of nowheresville and I doubt that buses run...however, that being said, they need to learn to rely upon THEMSELVES TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS---not just hand them over to other people and say, "Well, We have this mess, what can you do about it for me?
One problem that I believe in strongly is that we have created a class of people that are so very used to having other people do stuff for them---solve problems, arange for trnsportation, etc...that the money being spent does not actually solve the problems, it ENABLES PEOPLE. SOmehow, smeway, we have to get it through to these people that it IS THEIR LIVES, THEIR ISSUES, and THEIR DILEMMAS. Someone can give them some advice, but, in the end, they cannot be constantly bailed out---"Life skills" means ACCOUNTABILITY.
It is hard, I know, for most of us to understand this, because crap happens to all of us on a daily basis and we handle it...some, though, for some reason, cannot...fewer restaurants? Adapt, find work elsewhere---don't just blame the situation, deal with it.
A couple of points---not to excuse them---but some of you folks callf or them to use the buses--Fostoria is out in the middle of nowheresville and I doubt that buses run...however, that being said, they need to learn to rely upon THEMSELVES TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS---not just hand them over to other people and say, "Well, We have this mess, what can you do about it for me?
One problem that I believe in strongly is that we have created a class of people that are so very used to having other people do stuff for them---solve problems, arange for trnsportation, etc...that the money being spent does not actually solve the problems, it ENABLES PEOPLE. SOmehow, smeway, we have to get it through to these people that it IS THEIR LIVES, THEIR ISSUES, and THEIR DILEMMAS. Someone can give them some advice, but, in the end, they cannot be constantly bailed out---"Life skills" means ACCOUNTABILITY.
It is hard, I know, for most of us to understand this, because crap happens to all of us on a daily basis and we handle it...some, though, for some reason, cannot...fewer restaurants? Adapt, find work elsewhere---don't just blame the situation, deal with it.
You summed the issue up properly.
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After reading their stories, I can say one thing---they lack what I call "life skills." What I mean by that is that they cannot grasp the things that you and I take for granted---living within a budget, handling life's problems, dealing with adversity---many of these people cannot do that---and they have to get help from other people (which doesn't make it right.) I have seen this in the classroom, too--- I call it the "professional victim". They always have some sort of crisis and their day is only normal if something abnormal is happening. If there is no crisis, they often create one. You all can probably remember one from your own school days---the kid that was always missing a gym shoe, or always needed something to complete the assignment--and they would swear that it was just there a moment ago...
A couple of points---not to excuse them---but some of you folks call for them to use the buses--Fostoria is out in the middle of nowheresville and I doubt that buses run...however, that being said, they need to learn to rely upon THEMSELVES TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS---not just hand them over to other people and say, "Well, We have this mess, what can you do about it for me?
One problem that I believe in strongly is that we have created a class of people that are so very used to having other people do stuff for them---solve problems, arange for trnsportation, etc...that the money being spent does not actually solve the problems, it ENABLES PEOPLE. SOmehow, smeway, we have to get it through to these people that it IS THEIR LIVES, THEIR ISSUES, and THEIR DILEMMAS. Someone can give them some advice, but, in the end, they cannot be constantly bailed out---"Life skills" means ACCOUNTABILITY.
It is hard, I know, for most of us to understand this, because crap happens to all of us on a daily basis and we handle it...some, though, for some reason, cannot...fewer restaurants? Adapt, find work elsewhere---don't just blame the situation, deal with it.
A couple of points---not to excuse them---but some of you folks call for them to use the buses--Fostoria is out in the middle of nowheresville and I doubt that buses run...however, that being said, they need to learn to rely upon THEMSELVES TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS---not just hand them over to other people and say, "Well, We have this mess, what can you do about it for me?
One problem that I believe in strongly is that we have created a class of people that are so very used to having other people do stuff for them---solve problems, arange for trnsportation, etc...that the money being spent does not actually solve the problems, it ENABLES PEOPLE. SOmehow, smeway, we have to get it through to these people that it IS THEIR LIVES, THEIR ISSUES, and THEIR DILEMMAS. Someone can give them some advice, but, in the end, they cannot be constantly bailed out---"Life skills" means ACCOUNTABILITY.
It is hard, I know, for most of us to understand this, because crap happens to all of us on a daily basis and we handle it...some, though, for some reason, cannot...fewer restaurants? Adapt, find work elsewhere---don't just blame the situation, deal with it.
j/k it was very well put
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From: Columbia Station, Ohio
Not entirely a liberal---I feel if we are going to spend money (and let's face it, we will) we might as well have a program that rids people of their welfare issues and somehow trains them to be the "productive members of society" that we all clamor for.
Let's face it...all we do is throw money at people---you al know the definition of insanity, right---doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
All our welfare system does is train people how to be enabled...and to let others try to fix their problems, which is not what the vast majority of us do. We meet adverstiy, we make changes, we, "bite the bullet", so to speak, and we solve the issues---and we move on.
If we are going to spend $$$, (and again, you know we will) why not do it with a program that doesn't enable people but rather teaches them how to behave in a socially responsible manner---like the rest of us?
That is the kind of welfare system that I would cheer for; not something that says, "How are you going to solve my problem today? By throwing more money at it?"
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Those fat asses must not realize that the liberals want us to be completely reliant on mother earth again. Turning back the clock. I couldn't see them working in their own crops cultivating the land, planting the crops, and harvesting the crops. Though they could easily eat the crop prior to the harvesting.
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Those fat asses must not realize that the liberals want us to be completely reliant on mother earth again. Turning back the clock. I couldn't see them working in their own crops cultivating the land, planting the crops, and harvesting the crops. Though they could easily eat the crop prior to the harvesting.
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BTW, Guys---On my class guidelines that I handout to everybody at he beginning of the year(and the parents get one too, also to be signed a returned), one of my class mottoes is:
An emergency on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Once the little darlings figure out that when I mean a paper is due at class time, and absolutely no later, they actually do quite well. A few, however, are slow-learners and take "zeroes" until they learn what I mean. I do not bail them out and say, "well, turn it in tomorrow, that will be fine." when I start to chuckle and put a "zero" in the grade book they kind think that I may be crazy---but crazy-serious.
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An emergency on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Once the little darlings figure out that when I mean a paper is due at class time, and absolutely no later, they actually do quite well. A few, however, are slow-learners and take "zeroes" until they learn what I mean. I do not bail them out and say, "well, turn it in tomorrow, that will be fine." when I start to chuckle and put a "zero" in the grade book they kind think that I may be crazy---but crazy-serious.
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Poor planing on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part either way it gets a point across
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BTW, Guys---On my class guidelines that I handout to everybody at he beginning of the year(and the parents get one too, also to be signed a returned), one of my class mottoes is:
An emergency on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Once the little darlings figure out that when I mean a paper is due at class time, and absolutely no later, they actually do quite well. A few, however, are slow-learners and take "zeroes" until they learn what I mean. I do not bail them out and say, "well, turn it in tomorrow, that will be fine." when I start to chuckle and put a "zero" in the grade book they kind think that I may be crazy---but crazy-serious.
TSC
An emergency on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Once the little darlings figure out that when I mean a paper is due at class time, and absolutely no later, they actually do quite well. A few, however, are slow-learners and take "zeroes" until they learn what I mean. I do not bail them out and say, "well, turn it in tomorrow, that will be fine." when I start to chuckle and put a "zero" in the grade book they kind think that I may be crazy---but crazy-serious.
TSC
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Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish, he feeds himself for a life time
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There is a welfare culture in this country. We need to end it. We need to have everyone contributing their fair share. This recent shift towards socialism is a shift away from that premiss.
These women have been given their "fish" at an all you can eat buffet. We say that we're teaching them to fish but now that buffet is running low on fish, and looking at them might give insight into why, these women are saying that they haven't yet learned to fish. They need us to continue giving them fish so they can continue learning.
How about this country start weeding out the cheats and moochers so that we can start reaching the people who actually need our help.
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I skipped reading all of the replies in this thread...
That family is making over $700 a month in welfare with free housing, and they still can't pay their bills/afford food? $20 says they have the best damn cable/satellite package available, and that that bill always gets paid ontime.
That family is making over $700 a month in welfare with free housing, and they still can't pay their bills/afford food? $20 says they have the best damn cable/satellite package available, and that that bill always gets paid ontime.