Is global warming real?
Is global warming real?
Is global warming real? Maybe. Is it caused by CO2? Maybe not. Do you want to spend trillions of dollars just in case? I don't.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...6-7583,00.html
An excerpt:
1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.
2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming.
3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980).
4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.
Grim
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...6-7583,00.html
An excerpt:
1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.
2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming.
3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980).
4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.
Grim
Great article, thanks. A professor at Texas A&M researched carbon and it's effects on global temps and she found that when the land based carbon makes it to the ocean via rain runoff, that global temps go up. But it's also a life cycle of the earth for the carbon to migrate from the land to the oceans, then be condensed out with storms and placed back on land. Only when the balance is with the carbon in the water does the global temp go up. She also found that Mt St Helens put more carbon in the air than all carbon generated from every fossil fuel burning engine or human burning of fossil fuels....ever. She was the originator of the carbon factor effecting global temps. She believes that man does not have the potential to effect global temps no matter how much fuel we burn. She'll also tell you that it's earths life cycle for it to go from ice age to warm and back to ice age. What I find interesting is that nobody is addressing why we are having global dimming. Global dimming has been going on for the last 20 years and some plant life is not making the adjustment. Our food source could be in danger but nobody seems concerned. And yes, global dimming means there is less sunlight.
The Greenies and the Media have pushed "global warming" to promote their own agendas and very little of what is said by them is truth. Should we pollute less? Absolutely, but I am more from the stand point that I like to breath clean air! Should we destroy our economies to meet unrealistic targets? Hell no! The world, unfortunately, will end through a nuclear war started by one of the middle east countries that all seem to be gathering nuclear capabilities while we sit by and wait for the inevitible. This will get us long before the imaginary problem of "global warming".
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Yes, and no. There is no dought that we are contributing to burning off the ozone layer which bring's in stronger UV rays. But what about Rome? You can't say that spears, catapolts and horse carriages produced Global Warming and brought on a change in climate from a rich, crop yielding climate to a dry dustball of a desert. The Earth does it's thing just we do every morning after a cup of coffee and it cannot be stopped.
Final Answer:
We are contributing to a natural cycle, but are not the cause. Atleast that's my partly educated answer.
Final Answer:
We are contributing to a natural cycle, but are not the cause. Atleast that's my partly educated answer.
Yes, and no. There is no dought that we are contributing to burning off the ozone layer which bring's in stronger UV rays. But what about Rome? You can't say that spears, catapolts and horse carriages produced Global Warming and brought on a change in climate from a rich, crop yielding climate to a dry dustball of a desert. The Earth does it's thing just we do every morning after a cup of coffee and it cannot be stopped.
Final Answer:
We are contributing to a natural cycle, but are not the cause. Atleast that's my partly educated answer.
Final Answer:
We are contributing to a natural cycle, but are not the cause. Atleast that's my partly educated answer.

Sorry.. your way off base. The thinning of the ozone has reversed. We didn't cause that either.
Of course global warming is real.
Obama said that the cars driving in Boston are melting the polar ice caps.
Just you wait till our savior, Obama, makes the sea levels drop. Then you'll believe.
You'll see!
Seriously though, it's amazing how the entire world has been baited. I don't know if anyone really plans to save the planet but I'm certain that there are a lot of people planning on making a lot of money convincing us all to become "green".
Obama said that the cars driving in Boston are melting the polar ice caps.
Just you wait till our savior, Obama, makes the sea levels drop. Then you'll believe.
You'll see!

Seriously though, it's amazing how the entire world has been baited. I don't know if anyone really plans to save the planet but I'm certain that there are a lot of people planning on making a lot of money convincing us all to become "green".
IMO, weakening the US economy to the benefit of other nations and to promote worldwide socialism is the REAL agenda of the global warming alarmists.
BTW, someone mentioned Mount St. Helen's eruption as putting more carbon into the atmoshere than all human acticity since the dawn of time. This is likely true, and St. Helen's was only a moderate eruption compared to others, such as Mt. Pinatubo in the Phillipines in 1991. And Pinatubo erupts with force about every 500 years. There was an eruption in Alaska in 1912 that put an estimated 30 times the amount of debris into the air as Mount St. Helens. And Krakatoa in the 1880's dwarfed the 1912 Alaska eruption.
Man's pollution is a drop in the bucket compared to any large volcano (one blows up every 10 - 20 years somewhere in the world, and others are constantly leaking pollutants). But hey, let's cripple our economy, just in case!
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I totally agree with these parts of your post. BTW, the 'green' movement is more like the 'watermelon' movement. Green on the outside, RED (socialist) on the inside.
IMO, weakening the US economy to the benefit of other nations and to promote worldwide socialism is the REAL agenda of the global warming alarmists.
BTW, someone mentioned Mount St. Helen's eruption as putting more carbon into the atmoshere than all human acticity since the dawn of time. This is likely true, and St. Helen's was only a moderate eruption compared to others, such as Mt. Pinatubo in the Phillipines in 1991. And Pinatubo erupts with force about every 500 years. There was an eruption in Alaska in 1912 that put an estimated 30 times the amount of debris into the air as Mount St. Helens. And Krakatoa in the 1880's dwarfed the 1912 Alaska eruption.
Man's pollution is a drop in the bucket compared to any large volcano (one blows up every 10 - 20 years somewhere in the world, and others are constantly leaking pollutants). But hey, let's cripple our economy, just in case!
IMO, weakening the US economy to the benefit of other nations and to promote worldwide socialism is the REAL agenda of the global warming alarmists.
BTW, someone mentioned Mount St. Helen's eruption as putting more carbon into the atmoshere than all human acticity since the dawn of time. This is likely true, and St. Helen's was only a moderate eruption compared to others, such as Mt. Pinatubo in the Phillipines in 1991. And Pinatubo erupts with force about every 500 years. There was an eruption in Alaska in 1912 that put an estimated 30 times the amount of debris into the air as Mount St. Helens. And Krakatoa in the 1880's dwarfed the 1912 Alaska eruption.
Man's pollution is a drop in the bucket compared to any large volcano (one blows up every 10 - 20 years somewhere in the world, and others are constantly leaking pollutants). But hey, let's cripple our economy, just in case!


