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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
I love that his dad was the one that issued the Exec Order.
Why? When Bush SR. did this, oil was $10 a barrel. Why does it suprise you that now that it is around $140 a barrel that things changed? Think a little deeper, K?
 
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Slippery bunch of eels! LOL

I knew there was nothing of value to it. Just a political move to cast the Republicans in a better light in an election year. A move that many won't see through, and will make those that don't try to- blame the democrats for not taking steps to lower oil prices (If they don't sign the law)- temporary though that may be. And, they will forget that Republicans sat on their collective ***** for 3 years as gas got more and more expensive. Now, 4 months from the election, it's time to "take action".

Bush is smarter than I thought. No matter how the Democrats vote, they're screwed. Vote to continue the ban, America's across the board hate you, because the idea of gas getting affordable again, stirs the interest of anyone making less than $100K a year. Or, vote to all the drilling, and **** off every tree hugger in America.

Pretty sneaky... Excellent strategy though.

But, on the lighter side, oil did drop $7.00 a barrel today on "economic fears". The sharpest decline in 17 years...

Who knew that the price of oil & diesel skyrocketing, causing everything that moves, to be more expensive to operate, and everything you use or consume (food, clothing, etc.) to be more expensive (because it gets hauled there on the back of Diesel-powered trucks @ $4.79 a gallon). Who knew Wall-Street bartering, Big-Oil reducing the amount of fuel on hand, and OPEC failing to increase output, would hurt many American's in their wallets?
There is nothing slippery about this. Congress has to vote on this every year to keep the ban on off shore drilling. They have been doing this since 1981. When oil was cheap, it made sense. I didn't mind using up other countries oil and saving ours. But now that the price of a barrel of oil is so high, it is time to be self sufficiant with oil while other means of energy is invented. Bush did the right thing. It just happens to be an election year. The congress has to vote on the ban by september 30... I am betting that they will ignore the vote and let the bill expire. That way they can say they didn't vote to drill... and didn't vote not to drill.. now there is sleezy. Fact is we need to drill now. Come october first, when they let the bill expire, oil prices will drop by 1/3 on the speculation of new drilling.
 
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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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Well, as mentioned, it would be 10 years before any new drilling produced anything, so at best your gas prices might go down in 10 years, but I doubt it, and I'll tell you why: We have plenty of oil. What we don't have plenty of are refineries. THAT is what they should be building!

The other negative point to new drilling is that most spots would be expensive to drill. That creates a catch 22; if oil became cheaper because of new drilling, the new drilling would no longer be cost effective, and they'd shut down the rigs.

All this will really do is make some fatcats wallets fatter. True story.
The fatcats wallets fatter is NOT a true story. There wages are dependant on the board of directors and job market factors. For the 20th time, the oil companies are publicly owed with stocks. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
And, they will forget that Republicans sat on their collective ***** for 3 years as gas got more and more expensive. Now, 4 months from the election, it's time to "take action".
It's funny that you say this like it's only one party that is profiting from the oil prices. I looked at the DOE web site and found some interesting stuff.

On 1/22/2001 when Bush took office the average price of gas was $1.511/gal.
On 1/6/2007 when the Dems took over Congress the price of gas was $2.354/gal.
On 7/14/2008 the price of gas is $4.164/gal.

So 6 years of Bush gave us a $.843/gal price increase.
18 months of Dems in Congress gave us a $1.81/gal increase.

Yet you say it is the Republicans fault for the gas prices. Care to explain you logic here?
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
And, they will forget that Republicans sat on their collective ***** for 3 years as gas got more and more expensive. Now, 4 months from the election, it's time to "take action".
How quickly we forget... it was the Republicans who were trying to get congress to drill offshore and in anwar all the way back to 2002. Since the Democrat controlled congress has come into power, the fight has taken a back seat since they knew they didn't have the votes to get it passed.

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Aren't those rigs going to be pretty far over the horizon
Simply, yes. They'll be miles away and won't be visible from shore. Ironically, if people would turn around on some of those scenic beaches, they'd see tar residue piled several feet high from oil spills caused naturally by offshore earthquakes.

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Well, as mentioned, it would be 10 years before any new drilling produced anything, so at best your gas prices might go down in 10 years, but I doubt it, and I'll tell you why: We have plenty of oil. What we don't have plenty of are refineries. THAT is what they should be building!

The other negative point to new drilling is that most spots would be expensive to drill. That creates a catch 22; if oil became cheaper because of new drilling, the new drilling would no longer be cost effective, and they'd shut down the rigs.

All this will really do is make some fatcats wallets fatter. True story.
Since its a speculative market, prices will go down. People are bidding up the price of oil and trying to buy it "cheap" for 10 years from now when they think it will be $200/bbl. We can thank Clinton for letting speculators into the market by the way. Previously, only those in the industry were allowed to speculate. They also had to take delivery. Now anybody can speculate, and they only have to put up as little as 5% cash up front.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:47 AM
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This will have no effect on the actual drilling, because of the environmentalist lawsuits. Currently, there are several areas off of Alaska and California that ARE open to drilling- the leases have been sold. Unfortunately there is something like 15,000 lawsuits that have to be adjudicated first. If more areas are opened, multiply that figure by at least tenfold.

Where it may help, is one of the MAIN reasons that oil is so high: the speculators. Every time a dictator in the middle east farts, the speculators drive the price up. When news of increased supply, whether 10 years off or not, may curb the outrageous speculation going on.



Edit: oops. sorry Benny, just read that your last part was basically the same as mine about the speculators.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by chris1450
The fatcats wallets fatter is NOT a true story. There wages are dependant on the board of directors and job market factors. For the 20th time, the oil companies are publicly owed with stocks. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
Do a little research, The public{poor ba5tards like me added together own a very small percentage of the stock in these companies. The upper say 5% own 90% of the wealth in this country.

We don't add up to much.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 08:46 AM
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Since its a speculative market, prices will go down. People are bidding up the price of oil and trying to buy it "cheap" for 10 years from now when they think it will be $200/bbl. We can thank Clinton for letting speculators into the market by the way. Previously, only those in the industry were allowed to speculate. They also had to take delivery. Now anybody can speculate, and they only have to put up as little as 5% cash up front.
X2 Drill now and the speculation that sets the price for oil will calm down. We will not see a drastic reduction in price, but it will be stable.

And I agree with building more refineries, or at least up the output capacities of existing ones.

BTW I cannot remember any type of oil spill from drilling operations being reported, big oil shipping disasters yes, but not drilling. I cannot see how this is going to ruin tourism. This is 2008, not 1972, drilling has become more controled. Let them explore, most likely in 90% of the areas they drill, it will be non profitable and that will be the end of it.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 10:40 AM
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Any money invested into drilling won't show a return for like 20 years. It's gonna take, what, 5 years to get any oil out?

It'd be more efficient to just find a completely new source of energy.
OK wave your magic wand and come up with a new energy source. we need time to figure out this new magic source so why not use what we have now until we do have something better
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:21 PM
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I like that, But the key words he used that will cause problems.
"everyone has to cooperate"
That seems impossible. We can't seem to get 3 people to cooperate
But I like that plan.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
I love that his dad was the one that issued the Exec Order.
Was a different point in time with different pressing concerns.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:26 PM
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Was a different point in time with different pressing concerns.
Was it votes or money
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 12:43 PM
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Was it votes or money
Now that is just mean! Probably both!
 
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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
Any money invested into drilling won't show a return for like 20 years. It's gonna take, what, 5 years to get any oil out?

It'd be more efficient to just find a completely new source of energy.


We also need money ... which is being burned away in Iraq.
Who is it that is investing into drilling? I don't agree that it would take 20 years to get a return, but if it did, isn't that a concern for the investers? Aren't they aware of the risks of investing?

If it takes 5 years to get any oil out, which I don't believe it does, why is that a bad thing? Wouldn't that give more time to come up with viable alternatives?

I'm not the smartest guy around so, could you help me understand how it would be more efficient to just find a completely new source of energy when just about all of us are using vehicles that burn pertoleum, of which we know there is more to be had? In addition to the vehicles we use there are many other things that we rely on every day that are derived from oil. Here in the northeast, a lot of people heat their homes with heating oil. Is the alternative for our transportation going to be the same for our heating?

We need money. This money that is being "burned away" in Iraq would have otherwise been spent on oil for the American consumer? I don't think so. The money comes from investors. The democrats, with whom you are sharing an increasing number of talking points with, are proposing taking profits from "big oil". It seems to me that "big oil' is in the prime position to fund the research needed to come up with viable alternatives and make a fortune doing so. Our governemnt isn't there to make prices for commodities cheap, but one of their rolls is national defense. I'd rather the government "burned away" money in Iraq and other fronts in the war against terrorists than try to fund innovation.
 
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