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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 12:20 PM
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Eco Centre Response To G8 Summit

http://www.ecocentre.org.uk/eco-cent...g8-summit.html

Are these guys for real?
This causes particular concern, as the science of climate change is now well enough understood to say categorically that business as usual threatens the very survival of our species.
This group speaks the same type of far fetched BS that is becoming a major lobbyist movement here in the USA. Scary to think what they try to will push.

Get ready, people. The big one's coming.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 02:19 PM
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Greenies never look at the whole picture. We should completely destroy our economies and put ourselves out of work to pollute less in their eyes. I am all for cleaning up our act but I am not willing to be jobless and living in a refrigerator box in the park to do it.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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I don't think the threat is SO extreme, but we really do need to clean up, ALOT. The air and water in some places is just disgusting. I'm a clean person, we should do more to be a cleaner society.
Who are you referring to? Your statement is quite vague.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 03:03 PM
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Let's assume that there is an ecological disaster looming in our future, and that Man is responsible for it... What, short of genocide, can we do that would make much of an impact? What really does the most damage to our environment? A country with one of the lowest population densities in the world (USA), or the povertous, grossly overpopulated areas of the world?

Since the early 70's, our use of fossil fuels has not appreciated much at all. Thru efficiency, our barrel of crude oil average use per day is virtually unchanged. Even with our now larger population. How many other places in the World can make this claim? Portions of Western Europe... maybe. The biggest contributors to CO2 emmissions are emerging economies. As such, they are also the biggest danger to the future environmental health of the World. Should we desimate their populations to ease the burden they represent to their local ecologies... And therefore the Global condition? If not, this problem, if it truly exists, is unsolvable.
 

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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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The "threat isnt so extreme" part is re: "the very survival of our existence" and everything else is just a general comment of "hey, we should clean up!"
So you're saying we as in humanity, as in everyone, ok. Can't argue that, but the USA part of we has been cleaning up for a long time. It's the developing countries that are the major problem.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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So you're saying we as in humanity, as in everyone, ok. Can't argue that, but the USA part of we has been cleaning up for a long time. It's the developing countries that are the major problem.
I agree, but we do have a few areas that need some help. Galveston comes to mind as one of the places still in need of help
 
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 04:54 PM
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They do produce a lot of crap, but we're the most consuming nation. We should demand cleaner products.

I bet if we cut back on the food we produce, beyond what we need here in this country, we could really cut back on our fuel consumption. Of course somebody else would have to pick up the slack, or a lot of people, in countries that can't produce for themselves, would die of starvation. And let's not get into Pharmaceuticals and Technology. There are very few places to get the equipment for deep sea oil exploration outside the US. And the drugs we pay so dearly for here are practically given away in third world nations. How much of our consumption benefits those outside our borders? Sure we're wasteful. What country that produces more than it needs isn't? But are we grosely so? I don't think so.
 
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