First, Toyota did not buy Joe Gibbs Racing.

Yes Toyota wants JGR to help TRD built engines, eventually. JGR is mainly R&D right now.

 

Whatever you say.

 

I bet you can't find any proof that Toyota bought JGR.

 

I doubt there is any proof. I doubt any money changed hads. It was probably done on handshake/bow and a promise.

I'm not knocking anyone. Competition breeds competition. Good for Toyota for doing what it took.

Go Ford.

 

Right.

 

Go Ford, F Toyota

 

what do you mean, prove different? Are you blind? You saw two guys standing there. NOWHERE in IRL, or NHRA, or CHamp car, or F1 would you see a safety person standing around while a vehicle burned, especially once it was clear the driver was OK. I don't give a crap what the "official" statement is from NASCAR. that is bush league, at best.

the NASCAR safety crews are a joke. talk to a driver about it sometime, and get the real story.

Nascar uses the safety team that is local for each track. NHRA and IRL have their own safety crews that travel with them from race to race to handle the safety duties.

the NHRA Safety Safari is so far ahead of anyone else that it isn't even a contest, and if Alex Zanadri was a Cup driver instead of a Champ car driver, he would be dead.

There is no valid basis for arguing that Nascar's safety group is anywhere other than on the bottom of the major racing series



As for Toyota having more power.. last time Nascar put all four cars on the dyno, the Toyotas were up on the Chevy's by almost 15 HP.

TRD builds the engines, but they are using heads and cam's designed by JGR's engine shop. JGR is the reason that Toyota is competitive this year.

 

So maybe NHRA and IRL (or whatever it is now) both have superb safety teams. Good for them. I don't watch them.


I want to see dyno graphs. All I hear is hearsay. The majority of the cars dyno'd after Daytona (I think), were within 10 HP of each other if I recall; according to NASCAR statements. That's pretty damn close. I have no idea what parts are JGR and what's TRD's. It wouldn't suprise me one bit to have alot of JGR parts in there.

 

the other side of the discussion is that Nascar doesn't. They are seriously lacking in that area. Hopefully they will address before someone else dies.


nobody outside of the teams and Nascar will see those.. but here is piece of an article from Speed prior to the 500.

Judging from NASCAR’s post-150s chassis-dyno tests, which showed Toyota’s Tony Stewart had at least a 15 horsepower edge at his rear wheels over Chevy’s Dale Earnhardt Jr. in Thursday’s twin races. And Richard Childress’ Chevy engines were about 30 horsepower off the Toyotas, which is some concern in both the Childress camp and with GM officials.

NASCAR didn’t post any official numbers, but Stewart’s engine - built by Mark Cronquist, head of Joe Gibbs’ motor shop - pulled around 462 to 464 effective horsepower, according to those familiar with the results. That’s about 15 horsepower more than Earnhardt had and about 30 horsepower more than Chevy’s Kevin Harvick.

 

thanks for that. i knew i was right about JGR building there own engines and this too....

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/head...iew/index.html