All I gotta say is at least Ford is doing a much better job at it's recalls than Yoda, GM, and Daimler.

I think with better consideration, Ford should be getting a thumbs up for this one, rather than a low-balled, crooked-eye, type of view on this.

Like when will Yoda come out with a recall on the bending tailgates? Never.

 

 

Somebody put something in Lumadar's mouth (hand), because my zipper is stuck... Besides, I hear you are the one who likes tweenkie's. Big brown ones.

You're out of order, counselor. You really think think you need to educate me on trucks? (Insert Jim Carey, laughing like Fire Marshall Bill)

Besides, be it 1500, 2500, or 3500 they all still look like Silverado's. You can see the similarity.

Aside from the front door glass, the F-150 looks nothing like the F-250 or 350. Those are two very different trucks, not only under the skin, but at the skin too.

Mr. Squirel- Yep, that's right.
At the end of the day though, we still don't know how many F-150's Ford sells compared to 1500 Silverado's. I'd like to find the numbers broken down to that level.

The data is out there. Ford had a commercial out a few years ago that said their HD trucks out sold GM and Dodge Heavy duty trucks, combined.

 

You would want to have sexual relations with a guy....

But back on topic, do I think I need to educate you on trucks? Given your track record of switching vehicles like underwear you must not know too much or you would buy the right vehicle for once

Your argument for why comparing the F-Series sales to Silverado sales is because they don't look alike? Seriously?

Haha, well I guess you better get in touch with the Road & Track, Truckin', Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, Motor Trend, DMV, NHTSA, IRS, FoMoCo, GM, Toyota, and all other auto manufacturers who ALL agree that a 2500 Silverado, Ram 2500, and F-250 ALL fit into the same exact class.

From a structural standpoint, a work-intended standpoint, and a vehicle weight standpoint these are all comparable trucks. Because it's quite obvious that you do NOT know very much about trucks I will forgive you for your complete and utter lack of understanding, knowledge, or history on this matter. Seriously, free pass...no worries!

I know you want nothing more but to find something negative against Ford, but sadly I think you're going to have to find a new topic this time because Ford is the full-size truck leader 31 years running...and all your little "ifs, "ands", and "buts" in the world aren't going to invalidate that

 

 

No, I think his post was right on key. I think you're post crossed the line.

 

Anyways, I'd like to say thank you for the heads up. My mother's 07 Expy has both of those issues.

 

Heck no, I was trying to get someone else to.

OK, who doesn’t know the 250 2500’s aren’t in the same “class”. Yes, they’re the same grade of truck, that wasn’t what the statement was about. My statement was that the 1500, 2500, 3500 lines from the other manufacturers (Dodge, GM) show they have the same DNA from 1500 - 3500. The only thing similar between the 150 & 250 is the front windows, and the blue oval. Not a big deal, but Ford can do that, because they put “F” on every truck (except the Ranger). How do we know Ford isn’t counting the F-450 (Pre-2007), F-550, F-650, etc… They’re all “F-Series”.

Why not show us how many F-150 trucks they sell? I think it’s because the lead may not be as large as we’re being lead to believe. That’s marketing, that’s spin. What’s wrong with calling it what it is? So what if others are doing it? If you’re really winning, you don’t have to play the games they play.

Switching trucks like underwear? Sure, I switch’em, but they’ve all been Fords- the trucks anyway. Hey, I like new stuff. Sue me. Got one year left with this one. We may get another one, may keep this one, may get something new. I don’t know yet. But, what does that have to do with the price of coffee?
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Nope. That's not what I said. I said the lines carry the same name and look alike, where as the Ford line doesn't. So it’s easier to understand why they (GM/Dodge) count them together. But, I'll let you interpret that however you see fit. I'd still like to see 150 vs Chevy 1500 vs GMC 1500 vs Dodge 1500sales. I think the 150 would still win, but I bet it'd be a lot closer race.
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Nevertheless, I'd say three F-150's, and two Expeditions would speak for themselves. I like Ford trucks, got one in my garage right now. I’m just not in love with them. I mean, after all, it’s a Ford, not a Mercedes or BMW.

 

You're joking right? Toyota is the best company at catching problems early and issuing a recall.

Remember how fast they caught the camshaft manufacturing issue on the new Tundra? Within a month all cases were traced down, new engines were supplied to affected owners and they limited the defects to 30 or so trucks. How long do you think it would have taken Ford and god knows how many affected trucks to find a problem? ahem 5.4L sparkplug issues, STILL not being addressed!

Ford likes to push things under the rug and limit their liability for as long as possible until an outrageous amount of vehicles are affected. Everytime there is a Ford recalls the numbers are in the hundreds of thousands and even millions spanning many generations of the vehicles and models.

 

Yeah, kinda like how Toyota got right on the sludge issues in their engines too...oh wait

As for them catching the camshaft issue early on, uh, it was a BRAND NEW flagship product launch with the whole world watching under a magnifying glass...did you think they had a choice? Especially not after the almighty Camry got bumped to a BELOW AVERAGE reliability rating...

 

Ok, so you said the same exact thing you did before...and still failed to actually make a point aside from saying that the GM and Dodge trucks use the same lines and Ford does not.

I still fail to see the validity in the argument. Who cares? Again, you're basing your entire argument on the fact that they "look different" even though what it is under the skin is comparable according to EVERY single entity out there, including the competition.

You're all alone on this one...

 

I'm not arguing with you Lumi, I'm just stating an opinion.
Like you said, who really gives a crap? I said Ford lumping all sales under the "F" moniker was marketing spin, and you got all upset and trying to prove me wrong. Well, I'm not wrong- but will say you have a right to your opinion. I still say, it is marketing spin...

Sure they're "F" series trucks, but you don't need 20/20 vision to distinguish an F-150 from an F-250. So, those vehicles should not be in the same line, in my opinion. They're nothing alike, visually, or under the skin.

Unless you look at the hood bulge and the badge, the average joker on the street couldn't tell you a Silverado 2500 from a 1500. But my 3 year old son can spot an F-250 and knows it from an F-150. I just think they'er too dissimilar to be counted together... Unless it's for a purpose.

Where have you read in any publication that an F-150 and an F-250 are similar under the skin? What, with the fact that the frame is metal? The frames aren't the same, or anything. There have been entire threads on this site, as to why the F-250/350/450 only has a C channel frame, but the F-150 is fully boxed.

Right at the root they're different. In what way are the similiar? Same leaf springs, or something?

I don't mean anything silly like, they have the same water/fuel pump, same bed bolts, etc. I'm talking about the stuff that matters, with regard to the strength of the vehicle. Where are they similar?

What "publication" has done an article on how much the F-150 is like the F-250? I'd like to read that. I'm sure if it's been stated so often, it'll be easy for you to point us to the source.

I read Motor Trend, Truck Trend, Car & Driver, Automobile, Truckin', Lowrider, Road & Track, and I have yet to see anything like that...

Please provide the print publicated source of the "similarity" article.

 

Your a moron. The Tundra is still plagued with issues Toyota is doing nothing about. What is being done to help the thousands of owners with damaged tailgates? What about the owners complaining about transmissions that rumble for a year now? Nothing. Toyota, as mentioned, has had massive sludge issues for yers and has done nothing.

The 5.4 spark plug problem has been addressed by Ford and all vehicles built after Oct of 07 no longer have the issue, do some research

 

Re-read what I wrote.

You completely misunderstood what I said. I was saying the similarity is between the F250 and 2500's, F350, and 3500's etc. Hence, being categorized together for sales purposes. I do fully agree that the F150 and F250 have fairly little in common, however it would sure be unfair the other way around to say that GM gets to count all Silverados and Ford only the F150 as one set, and the 250/350 as another- right? The end intention and classification between the Ford trucks and their competition is what is similar, and that is what makes it a legitimate sales pitch IMO.

 

It took a class action lawsuit for Toyota to get right with millions of owners over a design flaw in some V6 engines that caused excessive sludging.

No manufacturer is perfect, IMO. They're all out to protect themselves, and will not hesitate to throw the customer under the bus to benefit their own cause.