Are Americans Responsible for Terrorist Attacks? Apparently so….

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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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Well I wish I had more time to aruge for the sane people but I have to go home to my family and check my shotgun next to my bed again to make sure it's loaded so I can save the Schiller Lock Company the trouble of a lawsuit by killing anyone trying to harm my family if their locks fail!!!

later trublu no offense!
 
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by efuehrin
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I put on the daddy pants last July!

I agree that's what life insurance is for. Just because not everyone thinks ahead enough to get life insurance for their family that doesn't mean that the families have the right to sue when some terrible accident happens to their loved ones.

Sorry I don't mean to attach you personally. I'm sure you are nice, intelligent person. But it sounds like your going overboard a bit with the lawsuit argument.

We'll call it a difference of opinion but sometimes people must take ownership of their own fate!

Talking about a homeowner that gets robbed/killed. I think it is their own fault for moving to a shady neighborhood, not sufficiently protecting themselves, and most importantly it is the fault of the robber/killer for being a menace to society.
The funny part is I 100% agree with you. I would say that 99.9% of the time people are just trying to capitalize on a bad situation, more or less seek revenge and financial gain at the same time. If something were to happen to me I would not worry about it as I have made provisions to take care of all of my family financial responsibilities already.

As for the homeowner, road debris, tire blow out, ect..ect.. I was simply pointing out that under the right circumstances, mostly being prior knowledge, anyone can be held responsible for anything in todays lovely civil court system.

You get in a wreck and miss a few days of work and try to retire off the lawsuit that is BS. you slip at the grocery on a puddle of water that you should have seen and start figuring out how to get the most money out of it yeah you should be lashed at the pole for it. On the other hand there are those rare times when someone’s oversight, or neglect can change an entire families well being in an instant and I think in cases like that the responsible party should be held accountable.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Maybe Clinton shouln't have passed on extradicting Osama Bin Laden when offered by the Sudanese Gov't. Looks like he was more interested in a blow job than national security!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=210_1187333856

Who is really to blame... not sure. I will put some of it on Bill Clinton's shoulders though. Read a little about his fight against terrorism....http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/Sho...st&date=060909
 
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Old Jan 30, 2008 | 06:55 PM
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Hey Stealth! Didn't you say something about Texas seceding? You 'all got room there for a couple Yankees? It's been crazy here in New England for some time now with this insane liberal mind set. It's spreading through the rest of the country.

This country is getting too ridiculous!

I understand the pendulum swings but it seems that it's about to come crashing off it's fulcrum in a chaotic mess.

Americans responsible for terrorists attacks? !!!
 
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 06:32 AM
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Maybe Clinton shouln't have passed on extradicting Osama Bin Laden when offered by the Sudanese Gov't. Looks like he was more interested in a blow job than national security!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=210_1187333856

Who is really to blame... not sure. I will put some of it on Bill Clinton's shoulders though. Read a little about his fight against terrorism....http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/Sho...st&date=060909
Noone wants to talk about the big ol dirty turd laying in the middle of the dining room table??
 
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by s2krn
Noone wants to talk about the big ol dirty turd laying in the middle of the dining room table??
Could have been the BJ distracting him....could have been the trouble he got after and the impeachment. Regardless it was on his watch. He blew it like monica blew him and it sucked.

Now will you also admit that Pres. Bush and Rice also dropped a big ol dirty turd in the middle of the dining room table months later with even more intel and warnings? Didnt Pres Bush give the bin Ladden's priority to fly out of the country right after 911 when all filghts were grounded? Werent the bin Laddens Pres. Bush's guest in US during the attack? Isnt he friends with them?
 
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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Werent the bin Laddens Pres. Bush's guest in US during the attack? Isnt he friends with them?
My mistake I meant Pres. Bush Sr and the bin Laddens were long time friends and business investors.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Dogg™
Could have been the BJ distracting him....could have been the trouble he got after and the impeachment. Regardless it was on his watch. He blew it like monica blew him and it sucked.

Now will you also admit that Pres. Bush and Rice also dropped a big ol dirty turd in the middle of the dining room table months later with even more intel and warnings? Didnt Pres Bush give the bin Ladden's priority to fly out of the country right after 911 when all filghts were grounded? Werent the bin Laddens Pres. Bush's guest in US during the attack? Isnt he friends with them?
Post some links that point to your assertion. Point is Clinton had Osama Bin Laden on the table for over a month and did nothing. Kind of ironic it was at the height of his Lewinsky affair.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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Two great examples of misinformation that can lead to bias.

Clinton could have nailed Osama, but the Justice Department didn't have a solid case at the time.

Airspace was open when the other Bin Ladens left the country, and all desired for questioning were cleared by the FBI before leaving.





Now, back to the subject.

If there was in fact negligence I feel they could be justified cases.

As an example I once flew out of Vegas on emergency leave from the military. I was in schools at the time and took some study stuff as a distraction and so I wouldn't have to play catch up when I got back. I had several spiral notebooks with a big rubber band around them. When they screened my bag (carry on) the guy stopped me and asked what they were. I told him. Another guy came over and looked, and either they weren't understanding or were stupid, so they asked me to come look at the screen. I clearly stated what I had, and admitted it looked strange on the screen but the spiraling metal binder parts were side by side and that is just how they looked.

The short ending is that after about 15 minutes of me explaing, offering to open the bag or let them do the same, several other security guys and a lot of strange looks from other passengers, they cleared me to board the aircraft with my bag.

The bag was never opened, nor did they check any of my ID's or boarding passes.



If that same thing or a similar thing happened on the 9/11 flights, they should have opened the bag.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2008 | 06:40 PM
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I wish New Mexico was a territory again, but it's decent now ... we virtually have no laws as it is
Only the important laws, like parking on the wrong side of the street, eh?
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by s2krn
Post some links that point to your assertion. Point is Clinton had Osama Bin Laden on the table for over a month and did nothing. Kind of ironic it was at the height of his Lewinsky affair.
The assumption that Pres Clinton did or didn't do something presidential because of the Lewinsky affair is as long a reach as assuming that Pres Bush at Crawford Ranch just before 911 or in kindergarten class reading during attack distracted him from proper action.

Following your assumption, one could accurately conclude that any incompetence in formal job activities directly relates to any personal outside activities?

Kinda un American isnt it?

Since you like links here is all the time line from Dec 1979-Nov 2002 not just a cherry picked couple.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/...lineshort.html
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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Someone is to blame for everything in this country, no one is accountable for anything.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 06:55 PM
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But the person blamed will then blame someone else, a vicious cycle of laxed personal accountability.
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth
But the person blamed will then blame someone else, a vicious cycle of laxed personal accountability.

and the ONLY person to benefit are the lawyers, and everyone's insurance goes up
 
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Old Feb 1, 2008 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Dogg™
The assumption that Pres Clinton did or didn't do something presidential because of the Lewinsky affair is as long a reach as assuming that Pres Bush at Crawford Ranch just before 911 or in kindergarten class reading during attack distracted him from proper action.

Following your assumption, one could accurately conclude that any incompetence in formal job activities directly relates to any personal outside activities?

Kinda un American isnt it?

Since you like links here is all the time line from Dec 1979-Nov 2002 not just a cherry picked couple.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/...lineshort.html
The point I was making; if you read the article, refered to President Clinton calling Monica Lewinsky telling her what a good time he had but didn't take time to respond to the Sudanese Govt. He had a full month to respond to them and take Bin Laden, but never did!
 
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