I can't believe I missed this thread.

I don't like his attitude, but you have to give props where they are due. He can box. Look at his record, look at who he has beaten...he is the man. Rick Flair said it best, "to be the man, you have to BEAT the man."

No one has beaten him.

...BUT, if he is considering MMA, come on down ! ! !

 

I hope he does start MMA, so finally he'll get his little punk *** beat.

 

Yes. It will take him a long time to adjust to this sport, and I know he wont carry a record like he has now.

 

Yeah, like I said, I don't think just any "boxer" would have the cajones to get into a fight with UFC rules (aside from maybe Tyson) but, under boxing rules, those (UFC) guys will get their asses dusted off, especially in their own weight class.

I've watched UFC marathons on Spike, even went to a MMA fight this summer in Dallas. I've listened to them talk about their training, or what-have-you. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I just don't see the masses of the UFC/MMA fight guys being able to put a digit in the "L" column of a professional boxer.

At that Dallas UFC fight, I saw more t!tt!es (on the men) at the MMA fight, than one would see at a strip club. While some of those guys might be in great shape, most of them look like some "tough guy" they brought in off the street.

Not knocking their conditioning, but there's a difference between training/conditioning for 10- 12 rounds, as opposed to 3 -5. Back when boxing went 15 rounds. Ali used to train for 30. That's the difference...

Hatton, who Mayweather just dusted off, trains 20 rounds, to ensure he has the stamina to do 10 - 12. They both might look like their in great shape. But, a 1-mile sprinter, will not have the endurance or stamina to do a marathon... It's what you train for, that's all I'm saying.

I've boxed before, one time, three three-minute rounds, and I was in my best physical condition. In the third round, I was could barely hold the gloves up, and the only reason I won- is because Sarge zigged when he should have zagged, and my punch connected and sent him through the top and middle rope, and onto the grass before a laughing crowd. I was glad, because I was losing...

He whipped my *** the majority of the two rounds before that. I had my moments, but if we were getting scored, he definitely beat me on points.

If that had been no holds barred fight, I'd have whipped him in under three minutes, once the fight went to the ground, and I was able to use my strength and weight against him. But, on our feet- he had a much better chance.

So, that's why I say, in a boxing match, no top echelon UFC fighter would defeat a top echelon boxer in the same weight class. But, I believe a top echlon boxer has a better chance against a top echelon UFC guy, as long as they stayed within their own weight class, even if the fight was UFC style. They'd lose some, but they'd win some too.

 

Well, of course.

If you take a top echelon Boxer and put him in a wrestling match with a top echelon wrestler, no top echelon Boxer would defeat a top echelon Wrestler in the same weight class, "he's out of his element", as they say. Once the fight goes to the ground, the boxers "game plan" is gone....

...but a top echelon MMA fighter would have a better chance at beating that top echelon Wrestler than the boxer. He's "somewhat" in his element.

That's what I love about MMA the most. MMA fighters train in all Arts, so they have at least a little background in more than one art. A boxer, wrestler, BJJ practitioner, or any fighting style that trains in one art and one art only, will naturally have trouble at first. With training and good match ups in the fighters early career, he can build a record and confidence. That will take that fighter to the top.

So, who do you think would win if Georges St. Pierre VS the WBC Welterweight Champion Floyd “Money” Mayweather Jr. went toe to toe for 3 - 5 minute rounds in the cage?

GSP - of course.




BUT....If "Money" plays his cards right, I think he might be able to take GSP in a few years.




I love these comments.

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

Check out his record, watch some of his fights, and you'll see that a good fighter doesn't have to be ripped, and buff to be great at this sport. Bas Rutten said it best, "it comes from up here #1 (pointing to his head), and comes from here #2 (pointing to his heart)".

Now the fighters you saw at the Dallas fights, was that the UFC, or was that one of Mark Cuban and HDnet fight setups? I'm glad to see Cudan and HDnet fights working together. Mark Cuban knows how to take care of an athelete, and HDnet Fights is working their butts off to get all MMA organizations (UFC, IFL, Sherdog, WEC, K-1 etc) on the same sheet of music.

Here's a youtube link to some of Fedors fights

 

At that Dallas UFC fight, I saw more t!tt!es (on the men) at the MMA fight, than one would see at a strip club. While some of those guys might be in great shape, most of them look like some "tough guy" they brought in off the street.
First,
That was funny,

Second,

under boxing rules, those (UFC) guys will get their asses dusted off, especially in their own weight class.
this is the key. The whole arguement on this thread has to do with Mayweather catching a beatdown in an MMA ring. Nobody, I think, is arguing about his ability in the boxing ring, but rather his attitude and/or intolerance toward the MMA/UFC. When the UFC\MMA first started, it was not dependant on weight class and you fought 3 or 4 times in a night. You had to fight your way to the Championship. One fight you may outweigh your opponent by 5 Lbs., but the next, he outweighs you by 20. This is why you hear so much about Ken Shamrock and the Gracie brothers. They won when the sport was structured this way. To win this type of fight takes a different type of person than boxing,

 

I don't know if it was UFC, but I know it was Mixed Martial Arts, and the colors were red-gold & black. There wre 20-30 fights on the card that night. That bald/short haired, slim- but muscular French dude that's on UFC fought there that night, among others. I only recognized him because I always see him on TV. The fights were at the American Airlines Center.

That was the first time I ever saw a man get knocked out from a punch (the only other time was from the sleeper hold- yes, it works). It was a heavy weight fight, and one of the soft-chested male fighters KO'd the taller, muscular (ripped) fighter. I'm surprised the guy didn't die, considering the devastatingly clean, unobstructed, and smashing blow to the ripped guys nose, that they kept replaying over and over on the big screen.

Blood went everywhere, and big man went down like a 6'5" 325 lbs bag of potatoes. But, the guy that hit him was a big Samoan looking dude, about 6'0, but maybe 370 lbs of a fat/muscle mix. Dropped him like a bad habit.

 

^God I love MMA

 

Mayweather is a great athlete. If he put his mind to it and trained with a good MMA camp for a couple years he would have a shot in the UFC. His standup is several years ahead of anyone in the UFC.
I would like to see Anderson "the spider" Silva and Mayweather in the ring stand up only....that might be pretty interesting....

 

Are they in the same weight class? I'd like to see that too....after Mayweather gets some experience.

 

UFC championship fights are 5 rounds of 5 minuets per round and in addition they are fighting with 4 ounce open gloves. If boxers fought with 4 ounce, instead of 8 to 10 ounce gloves, the fights would likely wind up shorter in duration. There are UFC fighters who also are professional boxers but to be at the top in either sport pretty much requires devotion to that sport only.

I think it would take Mayweather quite a while to learn a sufficient amount of wrestling, jujitsu, kicks ect to be at the top level in the UFC. Otherwise he will be at a huge disadvantage once someone gets a hold of him which they will do.

 

Yep.

 

No Silva is in the 170#s and Mayweather is about 140. Silva is the only one I could think of with the kinda hand skills it would take to have a chance. I guess if we were going pound to pound I would put Roger Huerta in the ring with him.

DONT FORGET ABOUT THE BIG FIGHT TOMORROW NIGHT!

 

Huerta would kill him quick in the first round.....easy. (ATM)

You bet I'm watching this PPV. I wouldn't miss this one to save the world.

 

I tell ya, seeing "Rampage" Jackson on The Best Damn Sport Show Period's top 50 beat downs, pick that dude up (who was on his back, with his legs wrapped around Jackson's neck) and slam him to the mat, then beat on him- had me thinking Jackson was much larger than he is.

I looked today, he's only a light heavyweight (Max. weight 205 lbs). I thought for sure dude was in the 320 range. He just looked so big on TV, turns out he's LITA. Still, I wouldn't want to tangle with him, unless I had to. But, I outweigh him by quite a bit, and if we hit the ground, I'm not above choking the sh*t out of a joker, twisting n*ts, or biting... Whatever it takes to win...