Sure. Everyone wants to save the planet as long as all we have to do is pay in our share of the financing.

What do people do already to contribute? Why is it that people are ok saving the planet as long as someone else is doing the actual work? People don't recognise the things that they can do on their own to make a difference?

I believe that a new tank or attack helicopter can be a part in creating global ramifications. Our government is supposed to spend our money on infrastructure and defense.

I too take pride in the fact that I contribute to the inner workings of this country, which includes research on many different types of topics. I'm insulted that our elected representatives choose to allocate our tax dollars for pork projects. As far as I can see at this point, investing our tax dollars on "global climate change" initiatives is investing in pork projects. Even worse is that some of our elected representatives would like to surrender our tax dollars to other governments in the name of saving the planet.

Don't some people see that the possibility that many "global climate change" proponants are creating positions to line their pockets at our expence, in the name of saving the planet.

People complain about Haliburton, and I believe that they are justified in doing so, but don't have a problem with giving our money to snake oil salesman, in the name of saving the planet.

Before we put our government, or any government in charge of our money (again) in the name of saving the planet, why don't we show that we can make a difference without being forced to?

 

i wanna add something, we're supposed to get snow this weekend....in arkansas.....in december? must be global warming.


my cousins in abeline, tx couldnt come up here for thanksgiving because it was snowing hard enough....in south central texas...for flights to be canceled. must be global warming

 

I can top that.

We got snow and ice in Dallas, Texas- 10/31/2000, which I slipped and slid on from my job on DNT & legacy to Humperdinks in Richardson (75 Central Expwy). Snow, and ice- in Dallas, on Halloween...

We haven't had a decent winter since then (aside from that one-two days in Dec. 2004 that it hit 13 degrees)

But, who knows. My thing is, once you add anything to something, it's not the same as it was, and will never be the same. So, what we're (the human race) doing to the planet, miniscule- though it may be, has had some effect. World changing effect? I dunno- maybe.

I'd have to say Acid rain (unless a volcano is nearby) is not normal. I don't know about where you guys live, but where I live, we're almost forced to recycle. They give you recycle bins, and darnit- you'd better use them- or you'll get a nasty-gram stuck to your trash can from the city.

So we recycle. That's helping. I don't burn trash, or anything like that. For the last what, 28 years we've had catalytic converters on cars? Every year it seems the standards change. My last two vehicles went from LEV to ULEV in the name of pollution control. For the last 5 years, emmissions tests have been mandatory to get the annual inspection sticker, and inspection stickers went from $10.00 to $49.00.

The botom line is, there's no way to live or travel without causing waste, be it trash or exhaust. We're not going back to cart and horses, or blimp's for travel- so, if there are ways to reduce the impact of exhaust emmissions, then I say do it. Today's engines are for more powerful and fule efficient than those of cars we drove 10 years ago... That's got to count for something.

 

Kind of a peeve of mine as well...

Humans have impeded into the chaparral of California and, as such, their houses will burn eventually.

Many of the plants that grow and dwell there are pyrophytes -- meaning that they DEPEND upon fire to regenerate. Their seeds lay dormant until exposed to HIGH head. At that point, the seeds are released and begin the germination process...

The forest fire thing in SoCal has been atop of my "I hate it for you but, it serves you right..." list for a while. I mean, I don't wish death or destruction on anyone -- well, I do but, that's beside the point (see my neighbor thread) but, when you screw with Ma' Nature, she'll kick your butt and then laugh at you.

-RP-

 

My sentiments exactly!

 

Yea we almost cause the sequoia trees to become extinct by "controlling" the fires.

The sequoia trees are some of the oldest plants in the world, if I'm not mistaken they have been around since the dinosaurs and live for several hundred (maybe thousand years) "cant remember" but it's a long freaking time!
We almost wiped them out by "helping" and putting out the fires.

 

Hey RP,
With due respect from someone who was evacuated from his house for 13 days during the recent fires in OC. I have to agree with you some extent but in the bigger picture this is miniscule.

98% of the people here that were evacuated has not rec'd 1 penny of FEMA aid. The ones that did were under insured when their homes burned and that was not many. We stand by our neighbors and everyone lends a hand being labor and/or monetary. The Red Cross shelters in OC were almost vacant. There 12 in one shelter, half of them were illegal aliens which no one could identify and the other shelter had 32 out of over 2000 evacuees. Most did not want or accept hand outs. It is this type of person that chooses to live here. Beyond that this was arson.

Had we been in the city around here with the same scenario. I am sure there would have been widespread looting. Katrina ring a bell?

Now let's talk about millions of people that live in flood prone areas due to runoff, broken dams and levees. These people will rebuild and go on as well. The man-made levees almost destroyed the everglades in Florida.

All I ask is that you look at the grander scheme of things.

Cheers!!!