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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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UAW-FORD Contract

Thought some of you may want to read up on their labor agreement.

http://www.uaw.org/contracts/07/ford/Ford_Hourly.pdf
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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I'm just glad that there's not going to be a strike that might hose-up the build and delivery of my 'Stang.......
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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These guys don't make as much as I "thought" they did. Starting at 14 bucks an hour??

The entry-level wage structure will
have a starting rate of $14.20 per hour and
a full rate of $15.34 per hour. Entry-level
workers will advance from the starting rate
to the full rate for their classification in
four progression increases, one every 26
weeks

Some make it sound like you clear 140K just working on the line..
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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Yup, some don't understand they come from a non-union background or have had a bad experience with a union, or simply are uneducated in the realm of labor contracts.

Watch, Ford/UAW workers seem to have played their cards right.
Chrysler and Chevy both announced huge lay-offs after the bargaining agreement was reached.
Hopefully this won't result in people losing their livleyhood through lay-offs.

My union the IAM after 9-11 lost more than 30,000 workers, due to Boeing laying offs.
Now we are a lean company producing 28 (yes 28) 737's every month and we are going to increase the rate to 31 in Nov.
747 rate 2-3 a month
767 same
787 ???? Boeing announce delays due to the fact they off loaded work to 3 different countries and they are having labor issues as well as they can't keep our tooling in spec. Boeing is flying us back and forth to those countries trying to get them to run the tooling the way we set it up.
Seems like a case to keep work in house and in AMERICA to me!!
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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Those $14.00 an hour starting wages were part of the agreement and do not reflect starting pay, or current pay, of today's Union members. These wages apply only to new hires, and this dual pay program (new vs. old members) is a HUGE concession on the part of the UAW.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:12 PM
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You must also realize that in many cases hourly wage/salary can make up LESs than 50% of total compensation. I have a feeling there's more to it than the hourly wage...
 
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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Sure, retirement, 401k, savings plans and profit sharing are all part of the package for sure.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 07:37 AM
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Man, thought there would be more disscusion on this topic.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 07:44 AM
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Man, thought there would be more disscusion on this topic.
I Think they are all busy looking at the engine that fell off your 737 - what's up with that?
 
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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It makes you wonder how having a worker doing the same jobs are going to mix with one doing it for half? Personally, I think it will be a while before any of them hire anyone again, it will be years before laid-off workers even get called back. If it means having the companies build here rather than overseas or Mexico than hey, I'm in! Otherwise, you get that Chevy Aveo built by Koreans which is way more foreign than buying a Honda built in Ohio.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 09:47 AM
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This is from page 14 on retirement....


Needless to say, we argued strenuously that Ford does not have the right to modify your benefits, even after the
expiration of an existing labor agreement. While we feel confident of that position, going to court always involves
risk. We wanted to avoid the uncertainty that would be created had we been forced to rely on the courts to resolve the
matter.
In addition, while we believe that Ford is both legally and morally obligated to pay retiree medical benefits, the
company’s obligation is largely unfunded. Continued benefits depend on Ford’s financial health. If Ford, which lost
$12.6 billion last year, were to file for bankruptcy, retiree medical benefits could be cut or eliminated entirely.
Unlike
pension benefits, there is no required funding – and no government backstop – to protect retiree medical benefits. We
have seen thousands of retirees at other companies lose their retiree medical benefits completely when the employer
that promised to pay them sought “protection” in the bankruptcy courts.
We do not ever want to see UAW Ford retirees in that position.
Instead, we insisted that Ford agree to a funding plan that would secure retiree benefits for the long term. We are
pleased to report we have achieved that objective.
We have obtained financial commitments from Ford, totaling over $15.4 billion, to pay for retiree health care
benefits.
This includes Ford’s agreement (subject to ratification and court approval) to contribute $13.2 billion to
establish a funding mechanism that will protect your retiree medical benefits – at current levels – through establishment
of a Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association (VEBA).
The VEBA will operate as an independent trust and will become operational in 2010; until that time, Ford will
continue to pay for retiree health care benefits, at a projected cost of $2.2 billion.
Way to go union for putting all its union members retirement funds in one unstable basket.
Tough for a company to make a profit with financial commitments like this
 

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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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MGD- After the plane (in which this one was 20+ yrs old)
Lost the engine it still flew and landed safely.
Planes this old should be out to pasture as their cycles are way over what American safety recommends, We here at the Boeing Company do not maintain fleets for any airline, we support spares, technical advice but in the end the airlines maintain their fleets.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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nevrenuff- I agree, but paying Alan Mullaly 28 million up front before he did a day of work did'nt dip into profits either did it?

Now the retirees pensions are in the hands of the union and are protected, just incase they want to hire ANOTHER 28 million dollar man.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 02:44 PM
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I knew my degree wasn't worth the paper it is printed on. The non-core beginners make more than I do after two years and my job requires a degree or many years experience.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by swank07'
MGD- After the plane (in which this one was 20+ yrs old)
Lost the engine it still flew and landed safely.
Planes this old should be out to pasture as their cycles are way over what American safety recommends, We here at the Boeing Company do not maintain fleets for any airline, we support spares, technical advice but in the end the airlines maintain their fleets.
Thanks. Any thoughts on F15 airframe issues - is that a similar overuse problem or is it not conclusive yet? Those are gettng long in the tooth too, but are superbly maintained.




On topic - did the union not see the massive layoffs after the collective agreement coming? What kind of victory is that?
 
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