Alright guys, someone give me a logical explanation for this before I go trade my ford in for a chevy. My brother and I both have trucks. He has a 2001 silverado ext cab with the 4.8 litre shortbed. I of course have the lariat supercab 5.4 litre long bed. However we were messing around awhile ago and I was shamed!!! We were driving and he was in front of me doing 35 in a 55 tempting me to passs him, so I did, and of course he let me. But then he went to pass me and I smashed the pedal to the floor an he got around me. He barely did, but he did. I was so pissed off to have a much bigger engine and that happen. EXPLAIN TO ME that it was all operator error, or I hit the twighlight zone or something. It's been like a year and I'm still pissed off. How come it seems these chevy guys with these 4.8 litre 3.25 gears are smoking us 5.4s ?!?!?!? I believe his truck is rated at 270/285 and mine is 260/350 with 3.55 ls. What in the bloody hell ! 10 hp shouldnt mean that much difference when my torque is so much more. And also fords seem to hit their peak rpm for power way before chevy does. Excuse me as I got shoot myself.

 

It's been a year and your still bent out of shape over it? Let it go, you can't win 'em all. How many miles on your '01? It may have had 260 HP new but if your at 100K and beyond it's more in the range of 200 HP or less now. I'd also bet your long bed is heavier then his short box, that's all it takes for your brother to win.

 

Lets see hmmmm..... 5800 lbs vs. 45-4600 lbs? tell him to load up with 12 100 lb bags of sakcrete then well see the difference

 

When he went to pass you he had probably long been on the go pedal. When someone mashes the gas, gets on your ***, doesnt let off and just flys by you its hard to stomp it and keep up. They are already going faster than you and on the gas gaining speed. Your just a sitting duck untill you realize wtf is goin on and react.

Its doesnt help that those Chevys are no slouch though..

 

if your goal is speed... in a..... TRUCK get a life dude. The ford weighs a lot more than a comparable chivy. IF you tow.. you would regret the power band on a chivy. The ford makes it's torque low.. nice for towing. I would hate to tow a trailer having to rev it like a nascar racer to get anywhere. as was said.. he got a jump on you. that means momentum and your not going to catch up.

 

my 02 extcab 4.6 can beat my buddies 03 reg cab 4.8, so that means my 4.6 is faster than the 5.4, freakin awsome!

 

If you think that the Chevy you are speaking of is so great, do us a favor. Go trade in your Ford for that POS and than come back and tell us what a piece it really is and how you wish you had your Ford back. Or if you havent already you should check out the chip/tuner section.

 

He was drafting on you....

 

Er, mine is fast

 

When will this ridiculous obsession stop? Trucks are not supposed to be fast, they are supposed to tow & haul stuff. You want fast? Buy a 1987 Buick Grand National. You can get one for about $5000-$10000. Put $2500 of motor upgrade into it & you will have a car that looks freaking awesome, seats 5 people comfortably & does low 12's in the 1/4 on pump gas.

Anyway, another thing that needs to stop is this fanatical belief that the 5.4 is a good motor. Hate to bring this to everyone's attention (again) but the 5.4 sucks. If it was so good, why is everyone waiting, glued to this website for news about a possible 400+HP engine that will get even worse mileage than the 5.4? That answer is because everyone knows that the 5.4 sucks but they refuse to admit it.

Look at EVERY test done by EVERY automotive media source, magazines, TV shows, websites, etc. EVERY one of them say the 5.4 is underpowered. This is not me hating Ford, it's a statement of fact. In the last test in C&D or Motortrend (I can't remember which) the UNLOADED Lariat SCREW was slower than the other "4" when they were loaded. Every magazine test about the F150 says the same: "Truck looks great. Interior best in the business. 5.4 V8 down on power". When TRUCKS! put a bone stock 2007 5.4 on the dyno, it made 190HP. Somehow, I don't think 30+% drivetrain loss is normal.

Before anyone flies off the handle & says magazine test are BS, you need to look at it this way. Those people are professionals that get paid to do what they do. Most everyone that reads this probably has a job & therefore is a professional that gets paid to do what they do, whether it be garbage collector of rocket scientist. Now, would you want everyone to go around saying you're full of it, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you're getting paid by company X to endorse their products? I didn't think so.

Then there will be the argument that the magazines "HATE" American products. Not the case since the new Chevy just won MTTOY & won the last test I read. You can rest assured that the new Tundra will win the MTTOY this year. Just as the 09 F150 will win the year after. That is unless Nissan redesigns the Titan from the ground up & steals that prize. Before you say MTTOY is a BS award, why does every manufacturer that win's it brag about it for the entire year until the next guy comes along? Because it is important & provides exposure to the product.

Hate me all you want for writing this but who knows, if enough people say something, maybe the retarded pinheads that run Ford will finally listen & build real motor that actually works & gets better than 15MPG.

KC-10 FE out...

 

The 5.4 being underpowered doesn't make it a bad engine. A good majority of them are hitting 200K and the only service they've had is an oil change every 5K. If it needed major work every 30-40K THAT would make it a bad engine. As far as the magazine thing goes, if you really believe that Motor Trend (for example) isn't paid bucketloads of cash to make the newest model truck of the year, I've got some land in Cuba you might be interested in.

 

Ford engines are built to make their power down low, and feel slow because of it. Get a trailer on both trucks and it would be a different story. I like my 5.4, it is spunky enough for me and gets a shy 20 mpg on the highway.

 

Hmmm, and yet you still have your Ford. How is Toyota "trying harder"? The person you mentioned with the bad motor took it to the dealer and is getting a new engine no questions asked. What more can you expect? The last I heard about Toyo's cam issue was they are replacing engines when necessary but have instructed the dealers to just replace the cams whenever they can get away with it. So much for trying harder.

 

Because when the cam grenades, that's what they're doing they aren't fracturing or breaking, it spreads all kind of shavings through the engine right down to the oil pan. Just putting new cams in is a temporary fix at best, I'll be very surprised if those engines don't start having lower end bearing failures down the road.

BTW the Ford plug issue is only a problem because people don't follow Ford's service guidelines for them.

 

Yeah, some of these guys are quick to wave the "Motor Trend/C&D/Truck/(Auto Magazines)'s opinions don't mean s**t" flag, until it suits their argument to do so. The ones deeply seated in denial pull stuff out of their **** like, "They're paid to endorse (insert manufacturer)'s products."

No s**t?!

Guess what, EVERYBODY pays Motor Trend. Every ad you see in there, from Bentley to K & N Air Filters, pays Motor Trend and the other magazines advertising dollars to place their ads in their magazine. But, getting back to the independent tests though, if they weren't objective tests (performance wise) do you honestly believe any manufacturer who lost a contest would continue to pay a magazine who malaciously slanders their products? The manufacturers know their strengths and weaknesses. So, when an independent third party lines them all up (like the manufacturer would/should do, if they were exercising any aspect of due diligence in their design and execution) and sees what each manufacturer does best, then names a winner- it should come as no surprise.

You win some (Like when Ford won the MT Truck of the year in 2004), you lose some (Like when the Honda Ridgeline defeated the Lincoln Mark LT). As long as the magazine is being fair and impartial, no one who pays advertising dollars will balk at the results, or stop advertising in their magazine.

Motor Trend has waved the flag for BMW's 3-series for more than a decade- saying it was the benchmark for automotive balance and handling. Just this past month, the Infiniti G37 unseated the BMW, not so much in the performance aspect (where they were nearly identical), but in the area of overall, and bang for the buck- for the first time that I can remember in the last 20 years, the 3-series bimmer took a back seat to a competitor.