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Originally Posted by Stealth
I was sinking way under under Clinton. Now I'm doing well. I guess I don't count though.
Nah Stealth, 1/300,000,000 is a small sample!
I've done OK under both, but considering all the hundreds of thousands who have been laid off (this is not Bush's fault, I'm just saying...) Clearly, the economy isn't doing as well as some would have us believe.
Ask Ford, GM, and DaimlerChrysler how good the economy has been. While it's meant more new cars, and unbelievable rates for us, the manufacturers have been sucking wind big time.
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You give me so much material and so little space and time to respond hersh.. it is amazing.....
the "turnover" in the 2006 elections to the dumbocrat party was less than a normal second term election. The republicans lost fewer seats than the historical average. Once again your facts are mistaken.
If you could possibly be fair minded you would admit that there was a recesion in clintons later years. Bush got into office and we where attacked. It took lots of money to get the ball rolling to defend ourselfs. Talk about a hit to consumer confidence after 9/11. Despite the rising deficit at the time (big friggen deal) bush cut taxes.... FOR EVERYBODY!!... and the income to the government from tax recipts WENT UP! Now the deficit is falling faster than predicted by a large margin. Consumer confidence is in the toilet because the stupid media keeps telling us how bad it is. It is the best economy for EVERYONE in history. By nearly every measure. House ownership is at record levels for everyone. That is about the best indicator right there. The rich population is growing.. I bet you think that is a bad thing. But the middle class is growing too. And the "poor" population is shrinking. The economy is thought by liberals to be a zero sum pie. It is not. There is plenty for every one who applies themself.
I guess we found out what America thought of the previous Congressional approval rating last November, didn't we? When the Republican led House and Senate was turned on it's ear.
the "turnover" in the 2006 elections to the dumbocrat party was less than a normal second term election. The republicans lost fewer seats than the historical average. Once again your facts are mistaken.
You're right- he didn't balance the budget...
We had a BUDGET SURPLUS.
he economy is better than it was under Clinton? While that may be true for Big Oil, Haliburton, and Defense Contractors, everyone else- including retail, has taken it on the chin. Consumer confidence has been in the toilet most of the last 6 years, it's starting to rise again.
We had a BUDGET SURPLUS.
he economy is better than it was under Clinton? While that may be true for Big Oil, Haliburton, and Defense Contractors, everyone else- including retail, has taken it on the chin. Consumer confidence has been in the toilet most of the last 6 years, it's starting to rise again.
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Nah Stealth, 1/300,000,000 is a small sample!
I've done OK under both, but considering all the hundreds of thousands who have been laid off (this is not Bush's fault, I'm just saying...) Clearly, the economy isn't doing as well as some would have us believe.
Ask Ford, GM, and DaimlerChrysler how good the economy has been. While it's meant more new cars, and unbelievable rates for us, the manufacturers have been sucking wind big time.
I've done OK under both, but considering all the hundreds of thousands who have been laid off (this is not Bush's fault, I'm just saying...) Clearly, the economy isn't doing as well as some would have us believe.
Ask Ford, GM, and DaimlerChrysler how good the economy has been. While it's meant more new cars, and unbelievable rates for us, the manufacturers have been sucking wind big time.
Everyone can prove/disprove the economy, it just ain't a great depression that's for sure, far from it. Plenty of jobs out there.
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Originally Posted by chris1450
the "turnover" in the 2006 elections to the dumbocrat party was less than a normal second term election. The republicans lost fewer seats than the historical average. Once again your facts are mistaken.
Did I miss something? I don't care if it was a landslide, or by one seat- it happened.
Originally Posted by chris1450
If you could possibly be fair minded you would admit that there was a recesion in clintons later years.
Originally Posted by chris1450
Consumer confidence is in the toilet because the stupid media keeps telling us how bad it is. It is the best economy for EVERYONE in history. By nearly every measure. House ownership is at record levels for everyone. That is about the best indicator right there.
Originally Posted by chris1450
The rich population is growing.. I bet you think that is a bad thing. But the middle class is growing too. And the "poor" population is shrinking. The economy is thought by liberals to be a zero sum pie. It is not. There is plenty for every one who applies themself.
If you have a wife, a kid, and you live where I live. $with an annual salary of $30,000- you won't feel like middle class. Then again, everyone seems to think they're middle class, whether they truly are, or not.
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I'm trash class with an upper middle class income and upper class to elite taste. Kings life buying habits with a peasants funds.
Doesnt matter how well the economy is or how much I am making I will always "want" more than my funds will allow.
We all "think" that we'd like to see the economy flourishing, reality is we need the lows in order to have the highs. You can point fingers to who ever you want, but the president has very little impact on what YOU and I do with our money that we have. If the economy is up, then everyone is up, you cant buy anymore than you could when it was down. If the economy is down then you have the exact same buying power that you did when it was up. If we as a group are making more money, products cost more, if we asa group are making less, products cost less too, it's the exact same difference.
Wanting more than your neighbor so demanding a higher pay check is what is forcing jobs over seas and hurting our job market. You can't blame anyone besides myself, yourself and the rest of America for that.
We dont "need" a 2000 sq ft house
We dont "need" 2-3 cars
We dont "need" a boat in our driveway
We doont "need" a couple of PWC's
We dont "need" satelite or cable
We dont "need" $2K surround sound
We dont "need" 2-3 $300 ea. game consoles
We dont "need" internet.
If you have a house, a car, internet, tv, cable or satelite.... Your are already better off than 75% of the world. Tell me again how bad we have it......
Doesnt matter how well the economy is or how much I am making I will always "want" more than my funds will allow.
We all "think" that we'd like to see the economy flourishing, reality is we need the lows in order to have the highs. You can point fingers to who ever you want, but the president has very little impact on what YOU and I do with our money that we have. If the economy is up, then everyone is up, you cant buy anymore than you could when it was down. If the economy is down then you have the exact same buying power that you did when it was up. If we as a group are making more money, products cost more, if we asa group are making less, products cost less too, it's the exact same difference.
Wanting more than your neighbor so demanding a higher pay check is what is forcing jobs over seas and hurting our job market. You can't blame anyone besides myself, yourself and the rest of America for that.
We dont "need" a 2000 sq ft house
We dont "need" 2-3 cars
We dont "need" a boat in our driveway
We doont "need" a couple of PWC's
We dont "need" satelite or cable
We dont "need" $2K surround sound
We dont "need" 2-3 $300 ea. game consoles
We dont "need" internet.
If you have a house, a car, internet, tv, cable or satelite.... Your are already better off than 75% of the world. Tell me again how bad we have it......
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Originally Posted by Stealth
Well, the economy is BETTER than it was under Clinton, and when did Clinton balance the budget? Never. Get your facts right. Have a nice day. 
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Originally Posted by allrsdup
i think maybe your the one who needs to get the facts strait. as said above there was a budget surplus under Clinton that was paying down the deficit. now with bush were back even further in hock. and no the economy is not well at ll not even close to when Clinton was in office. all u republicans think u know everything, keep listening to what bush tells ya. gotta be true coming from him right?
Originally Posted by President Bill Clinton
I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
I offered a theory? I thought it was just an opinion...
Yes, I can... The difference is, Clinton didn't give the media and the comedians (Jon Stewart, Colbert, Leno, Letterman, Maher, etc..) as much free material as George does, everytime he opens his mouth. Don't get mad because Bill (And every other President we've had) have been great public speakers. When you can't communicate well, it should come as no surprise when people misunderstand you, don't listen to you, don't believe you, and more importantly, don't trust you.
No, I hadn't heard about the Congressional approval rating. However, the Congressional approval rating was in the toilet back when the Republicans were in charge too: (Source: http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
I guess we found out what America thought of the previous Congressional approval rating last November, didn't we? When the Republican led House and Senate was turned on it's ear.
Those are recent eff-ups. There is a lot more material we could cover.
Oh, and I'd bet he wouldn't have pardoned Libby if this was his first term. now that he's a lame duck, what's it gonna hurt?
Many political Republicans have turned their back on George. Why do you suppose that is?
Oh, and just in case you didn't know Chris, without two wings a plane won't fly very well. Checks & Balances Chris... Checks and Balances.
But, even when it was all Republicans, witness the results... (2001 - 2006)
It's just sad it took seven years for others to see, what many of us saw during the campaign, and in November of 2000. I admit, there weren't a lot of good choices, but Jeezuz... Twice?
Yes, I can... The difference is, Clinton didn't give the media and the comedians (Jon Stewart, Colbert, Leno, Letterman, Maher, etc..) as much free material as George does, everytime he opens his mouth. Don't get mad because Bill (And every other President we've had) have been great public speakers. When you can't communicate well, it should come as no surprise when people misunderstand you, don't listen to you, don't believe you, and more importantly, don't trust you.
No, I hadn't heard about the Congressional approval rating. However, the Congressional approval rating was in the toilet back when the Republicans were in charge too: (Source: http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
I guess we found out what America thought of the previous Congressional approval rating last November, didn't we? When the Republican led House and Senate was turned on it's ear.
Those are recent eff-ups. There is a lot more material we could cover.
Oh, and I'd bet he wouldn't have pardoned Libby if this was his first term. now that he's a lame duck, what's it gonna hurt?
Many political Republicans have turned their back on George. Why do you suppose that is?
Oh, and just in case you didn't know Chris, without two wings a plane won't fly very well. Checks & Balances Chris... Checks and Balances.
But, even when it was all Republicans, witness the results... (2001 - 2006)
It's just sad it took seven years for others to see, what many of us saw during the campaign, and in November of 2000. I admit, there weren't a lot of good choices, but Jeezuz... Twice?
finally someone who sees things the way they really are around here. thanks nice job.
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Originally Posted by Stealth
Yeah, Clinton is a saint too.
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Originally Posted by allrsdup
see thats all u and most republicans ever have to fall back on. when u dont know what else to say. his sex life.
Yeah, that Clinton sexual favor from a co-worker is all republicans have for ammo. Give me a freaking break.
EDIT: Oh I forgot to mention the higher taxes under Clinton.
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Originally Posted by allrsdup
see thats all u and most republicans ever have to fall back on. when u dont know what else to say. his sex life. i could care less. the country was doing great under the man. and thats the facts. i know republicans today who say if they had the choice to vote for clinton a 3rd time over bush they would. what does that say. bush has one of the worst aproval ratings EVER and that is a fact.
The country was doing great under clinton?? give me a break. there is to much to list of problems with clinton. It would take a whole encyclopedia to list it all. Democrats like to call the republicans a "culture of corruption" How lame for the party who created corruption to blame others. I guess screaming at the top of your lungs that republicans are corrupt makes it true. And that is all the democrats have is good marketing thru there media. To bad suckers like you fall for it. Use your brain.
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Some one please tell me how the president has any real affect on the economy?
Other than influencing the spending of the national budget, which as long as taxes aren't raised, then dose not affect your wallet at all. So does he some how control your purse strings?
Clinton did not raise the economy it just happened to be up during his term, it was more directly related to the Chinese market, we were just along for the ride. Now like all economies the Chinese market has dipped and as well as the worlds economy but all that must be Bush's fault some how.... :rollseyes:
As far as the national budget goes..... in case you havent heard.... THERE IS A WAR!!!!!!
Wars are not cheap, we went in knowing that.
This is not our first war we have ever been in.
Wether you support the cause or not, if you are American then you have to support our troops, which means spending what ever it takes to get as many of our men and women back home to thier families safe and sound, alive and in one piece.
Come on....
I am not a bush supporter by any means but if your going to bad moth a person or party then at least do it with some intelligence and logic.
Other than influencing the spending of the national budget, which as long as taxes aren't raised, then dose not affect your wallet at all. So does he some how control your purse strings?
Clinton did not raise the economy it just happened to be up during his term, it was more directly related to the Chinese market, we were just along for the ride. Now like all economies the Chinese market has dipped and as well as the worlds economy but all that must be Bush's fault some how.... :rollseyes:
As far as the national budget goes..... in case you havent heard.... THERE IS A WAR!!!!!!
Wars are not cheap, we went in knowing that.
This is not our first war we have ever been in.
Wether you support the cause or not, if you are American then you have to support our troops, which means spending what ever it takes to get as many of our men and women back home to thier families safe and sound, alive and in one piece.
Come on....
I am not a bush supporter by any means but if your going to bad moth a person or party then at least do it with some intelligence and logic.
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Originally Posted by Stealth
Oh well, I shall refrain from this thread, it's an endless circle of opinion anyhow.
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