An armed society is a polite society.

 

Uh, guys, are ya'll REALLY that uninformed about CCW or CHL or whatever they call it in you neck of the woods?

In TX they don't just issue a rifle, pistol & shotgun to every child born... We just buy them or receive them as gifts as soon as possible!

Seriously though, you file an application with the state. The state then has a certain amount of time to check your record to see if you have a criminal record (NCIC). You get fingerprinted at your local PD/SO, those get checked against the national database. You take your class, pass that and submit (or the instructor may do it) your results to TXDPS and pray they issue you your license.

There will NEVER be the ridiculous examples cited previously of a "whole school" carrying firearms. Not everyone is a "firearm" person. I know fellow cops who couldn't tell you the model of the weapon they carry. My wife doesn't want anything to do with my firearms.

As for "armed guards" in courthouses obviating the need for a civilian's need to carry, give me a break. Thursday, 2/28/2005 - Friday, 3/11/2005 - Tuesday, 8/9/2005 - Thursday, 2/25/2005 - 8/21/2006 I gave up after that & the boss wanted me to get back to work too. You've got criminals going to trial and desperate people who are losing everything. A courthouse is one of the LEAST safe places you can be. But hey, I'm just the Po-Po, what do I know?

 

So what, now I'm not allowed to voice MY opinon without some jackass calling me names?
I live in MN and every house I've ever been in has guns in it. Guns are a huge part of my life and every one in this state almost. I do not want to ban guns, or take away any of the rights people have right now to own them. I just don't think we should allow concealed weapons in places like schools etc, it's a lot different when someone has a gun on them,compared to guns being in the house, a person is more likley to pull it if he is carrying it.

You are quick to jump on here and start calling me names. Like
"snake in the grass" But you don't know anything about me. Where did I even mention anything about denying someone rights to guns? I just said by letting everyone carry concealed weapons is not going to solve anything. I hunt bear,deer, partridge and ducks. But I don't see a need to carry a concealed weapon. Your the type of person that has one mind set and doesn't look at both sides of things, there are pros and cons to every subject.
But I wouldn't expect an ignorant redneck to understand that. In fact your the type of person I don't want to have a concealed weapon. I bet your the type that gets drunk and thinks he's a badass. I've met a lot of people like you and laugh at your ignorance. And if you don't think I own guns,then why don't you break into my house late one night and see what kind of a hole my 250 sav leaves. I try not to stereotype people but I have a feeling your the kind of person I'd see on Country fried home videos. Your the result of inbreeding, so please, next time you go on date, make sure you didn't meet them at a family reuion, partner...

 

[QUOTE=txarsoncop]Uh, guys, are ya'll REALLY that uninformed about CCW or CHL or whatever they call it in you neck of the woods?

In TX they don't just issue a rifle, pistol & shotgun to every child born... We just buy them or receive them as gifts as soon as possible!

Seriously though, you file an application with the state. The state then has a certain amount of time to check your record to see if you have a criminal record (NCIC). You get fingerprinted at your local PD/SO, those get checked against the national database. You take your class, pass that and submit (or the instructor may do it) your results to TXDPS and pray they issue you your license.

There will NEVER be the ridiculous examples cited previously of a "whole school" carrying firearms. Not everyone is a "firearm" person. I know fellow cops who couldn't tell you the model of the weapon they carry. My wife doesn't want anything to do with my firearms.

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Your right, not everyone will carry a gun if given the chance. I may have exagerated a little, I doubt most women would want to, but I bet over 50% of the men would. Also TX has normal gun laws,about like MN but what about states that have ****ty gun laws,like
Arkansas . They have some of the most relaxed gun laws in the country.
I just don't see concealed weapons as the answer to our problem, It's much bigger than that. Like I said, I don't see any cure to the problem. Shootings are going to happen no matter what. I highlighed some of the major problems in Ark. Check'em out


Arkansas: No state restrictions on gun-trafficking such as a limit on the number of handguns that can be purchased at one time. Gun traffickers can easily buy large quantities of handguns at gun stores and resell them on the street to criminals.

Arkansas: No state restriction on the sale or possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons like the AK47 and Uzi. Assault weapons are as easy to buy as hunting rifles. No restriction on the sale or possession of rapid-fire ammunition magazines that can fire up to 100 bullets without reloading. Federal law does prevent the sale of some assault weapons and rapid-fire magazines manufactured after 1994, but the federal law will sunset in 2004 unless Congress and President Bush renew it.

Arkansas: State law does not clearly authorize the Attorney General to independently regulate firearms or establish gun safety standards as part of the Attorney Generals responsibility to protect consumers.


Arkansas: State law does not require gun buyers to go through any state-based criminal background check. Gun buyers only go through the more limited federal NICS check. This could create a serious problem because the federal records are often not as complete or up-to-date as state records. Failure to check state records may allow prohibited gun buyers, like those under recently-issued restraining orders or those with mental illness, to improperly buy guns.
Arkansas: No state requirement that gun dealers or manufacturers provide police with sample bullets/cartridges or digital images of bullets/cartridges prior to the sale of a handgun, ballistic fingerprinting,which would assist police in tracing bullets at crime scenes to the guns that fired them.

 

Sorry, 2 part post.
Arkansas: No state requirement that gun owners take responsible steps to prevent children from gaining easy access to their firearms. Gun owners are not held accountable for leaving loaded guns around kids, even if a young child shoots themselves or someone else with a gun left in plain sight.

Arkansas: No state requirement that guns be sold with child-safety locks that could prevent a tragic accident. Child-safety locks cost as little as $10 and could save lives if sold with firearms.



Arkansas: No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.

Arkansas: State law restricts juveniles under 18 from possessing handguns without parental permission or authorized supervision. But there are no restrictions on juveniles possessing rifles or shotguns including semiautomatic assault weapons. See also: Juvenile Sale.

Arkansas: State law restricts selling or giving firearms to juveniles under 18, except for supervised loans of firearms or for limited lawful activities (such as hunting). See also: Juvenile Possession.

Arkansas: No state requirement that handgun buyers obtain a safety license or undergo any type of safety training prior to buying a handgun.

Arkansas: State law forbids city governments from enacting any local gun laws, even though the state has failed to pass responsible state-wide laws. This preemption of local government authority makes it impossible for cities to enact sensible gun laws to make their citizens safer.

Arkansas: State law forbids police from keeping any record of gun sales. Police are prohibited from maintaining gun sale records that could be used for gun tracing and criminal investigations. The state has no way of knowing whether people who bought guns in the past have become criminals and are no longer allowed to possess firearms. The lack of gun sale records also makes it very difficult to identify and prosecute gun traffickers or gang members that buy guns in bulk and resell them on the street.

Arkansas: No state requirement that gun owners register their firearms. Police do not know how many guns are in the state or where they are. The lack of registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons. There is no state system to automatically identify and disarm felons and other prohibited people who bought guns legally in the past, but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to keep possession of their firearms.

Arkansas: No state requirement that handguns meet any basic safety standards. No requirement that guns be sold with a child-safety lock or a built-in �personalized� lock to prevent unauthorized use. No requirement that handguns have loaded-chamber indicators or magazine safety disconnects that could prevent unintentional shootings. The state Attorney General is not allowed to independently establish handgun safety standards.

Arkansas: No state requirement that handgun buyers receive any safety training at all. No requirement that handgun buyers demonstrate any familiarity with gun laws or knowledge about safe handling/safe storage of handguns.

Arkansas: No state restriction on the sale of Saturday night specials or "junk" handguns. No requirement that handguns meet any safety tests such as a drop-safety test or a firing-performance test. No restriction on the sale of snub-nosed handguns that are very small and easy to conceal.

Arkansas: State law restricts carrying firearms on school grounds, except for law enforcement personnel. Even people with permits to carry concealed weapons (CCW) are prohibited from carrying weapons onto school grounds. See also: CCW Limits.

Arkansas: No state requirement that criminal background checks be done on people buying firearms at gun shows, swap meets or through newspaper or internet advertisements. Criminal background checks are only required if the buyer goes to a federally-licensed gun store - all other sales are not subject to the background check.


Arkansas: No state requirement that there be a waiting period for gun sales beyond the "instant check" in federal law. Police are not given any additional time to run a criminal background check to make sure the gun buyer is not prohibited from acquiring firearms. There is no "cooling off" period to help prevent crimes of passion.

 

I think that it would be a great idea to allow people to carry wherever they go, that might even make it worth moving to Texas...

 

I will chime in here since I am in the process of finding the right pistol for me to carry everyday. I see both sides of the issue. I grew up with firearms because of the hunting my friends and family participate in. I feel safe in my ability to handle a gun, where as I don't feel safe around someone who is not licensed or experienced. I am not CHL licensed yet, but I will start the process sometime in the very near future. I travel around the state everyday for my job and I wander into rough areas daily. I have consiedered all the options, and a concealed handgun license is the best option for my safety and peace of mind. Everyone has their opinion just as I do. I think that if a person goes through the proper procedure to attain a CHL and are approved then they should be allowed to do so. Your rights as a citizen are just as important as mine untill your rights step on mine.

i.e. your right to carry a gun=my right to carry a gun
your right to shoot it at people=I will use my right to shoot back at you.

My main focus is this: Criminals are not concerned with gun laws or where they are allowed to carry them. Such as the VT incident. They are going to break the laws no matter what they are if they have a mission. They will find a way to have a gun. Well I will have gun also, but I will do it legally. In the event that a criminal threatens my life, I will be well within my rights LEGALLY to stop that threat.

 

Well said man.
I feel the same way as that statement. I know I am responsible enough and respect guns and what they can do. And could be a person to have a concealed weapon and never use it to do harm or wrong. But just cause someone gets a license doesn't mean they are experienced, It's like a 16 year old with a drivers license, they got it,but will they abuse it....some no, but some yeah. Anyone can take a test and if they study can pass it. But that doesn't mean they should have a gun. People like us that grew up around them know how to treat and handle them and chances are will never turn them on a person unless in dire need. But who knows what the inexperienced might do with it. They could abuse the power...that's what scares me.
I dunno, If it's only for texas then I guess it doesn't matter what I think. I'll never be in Texas so it doesn't affect me. Good luck on your CHL.

 

Nicks700R- I did not question your gunownership or Proficiency with said guns. Your comment made it seem like you thought only the elite should be allowed the right to concealed carry, not everyday people who need it the most. If I misread or misinterpreted the comment, I apologize on that one. Finals week is here and the lack of sleep is catching up to me.

Never said you did that, I said you seek to deny another gun owners rights to concealed carry.

My one mindset is not to let my rights be traded away in attempts to appease the anti-gun crowd. They won’t be happy until your hunting rifles and shotguns are crushed under a steamroller. If we give up one thing, they will ask for another and another until you are turning in your child’s single shot .22.

No, I am the person you want to be carrying. I am safer than 90% of cops who are issued firearms. I have spent the time learning the laws, time on the range to be very proficient with my pistols and I understand that I am being held to a higher standard whenever I carry a pistol.

Not ignorant, just angry at the way gun owners are betraying each other in attempts to protect their over-under shotgun. The bills of rights is not a living document nor a list of suggestions

The more people who are CCing legally, the better for everyone else.

The Virginia Tech shooting is a prime example of why CHL holders should be allowed to carry on campuses. Any gathering of unarmed subjects makes for a nice target for those who seek to hurt us.

If I’m going to be drinking, the pistol comes out of the truck and gets put into the safe. Not because I am afraid I’m going to get angry and kill someone, but rather even if you shoot an escaped felon that’s threatening your life, there is no justified self defense shooting.

Hope you live way out in the boonies, as if you shoot a burglar, that bullet is going to end up 2 houses down. Try a shot gun with 0Buck shot, 4Buck if you have children in the house.

Yea, Ill concede the redneck part, but nowhere close to being inbred or a cousin ****er

Again, If I misread your earlier comment, I apologize, however, if I didn’t I suggest you read about Jim Zumbo, his ideas about black rifles and the consequences of his comments. It makes the Dom Imus outcry seem trivial. Never give up another gunowners rights as someday they will come for yours.

 

Getting your CHL isn't like getting a DL. The test is not a joke designed to only fail a tiny minoirty, but rather a test designed to make sure you know the material taught in class. Most states also require a shooting portion of the test that requires a higher score than most PD require for a recert.

 

I wouldn;t be worried about anyone that took the time to go through all the red tape to beable to legally carry, losing thier cool. Besides the odds are the person they are thinking about pulling on might be packing too. They will always be thinking that too.

 

But there is a federal requirement to report multiple handgun purchases to the ATF. A state one would be a redunant pain in the ***. Also, the call for the background check tells how many guns are being bought and don't think the FBI isn't keeping track of the number of multiple purchases

Way to buy into the Brady bunch's BS. The 1994 ban was based on comestic features that were randomly picked. They make up a small percent of guns used to commit criminal acts.

Their idea of clearly authorize to regulate means outright ban. Any regulations should be placed before the state congress which is authorized to create new laws

The state is required to inform the feds and the feds are required to update the system. This is a system failure, not a requirement for another step of beaucracy
Everytime you clean the barrel, you are changing it slightly. Over time these small changes make enough of a difference to throw the fingerprinting off. I will try to find the articles that talk about the states that have this program in place and what a waste of money it has been.


I agree that the parents should be held responible for a kid killing themselves with an unlocked gun. However, this would be solved if we fixed the "not my fault society" we have fostered.

Except that every new gun comes with a lock now. No need to make a law when the industry does it on its own

And how do they propose to solve this problem? A majority of states charge a fee for using the background check system and its a crime to sell to a minor or someone you suspect of being a convicted felon.

Well how can someone hunt without a rifle? I am alsmot postive Arkansas has a law making it a crime to give or allow a minor to have access to a gun unles it it for lawful hunting or sporting purposes.

 

This looks like a restriction on the juvenile possession. and makes it a crime to sell to minors.

I am leaving this one blank for when I figure a good way to say what my mind is thinking.

This is to make it so you aren't a criminal in the next county for whats legal in your home county.

There are records being kept that are used for gun tracing. THis just means the Feds don't have stacks of paperwork on you. Besides the gov't manages to screw up the maintaining of the NFA records that is probably about 1/50th of the normal gunowners.

Again records are being kept, just not under the "watchful eyes" of the feds, but rather by the individual gun dealers. If the records prove to be incomplete during an inspection, the dealer is screwed royally.

No need to make another gun law when the gun manu. are doing this on their own. The mag safety disconnect is the biggest piece of **** for gun safety.

I agree that the buyer should be able to demonstrate the ablity for safe handling.


So only the rich should be allowed to own handguns? If a gunmaker releases an unsafe product, the lawyers would have a field day with it and the gunmakers know this. Only large men should be allowed to carry concealed? The snubnose is designed to allow carry when a fullsize piece wouldn't work. Its more comforable to carry, but a pain in the wrist to shoot.

VT. Also the police have no responablity to protect you, just to outline your body.

 

Again, how do they propose to have every single private seller to do this? Also if the seller is a FFL at the gunshow, they are still required to do a background check. Most sellers at a gunshow are FFL dealers.

If the person drives to the gunstore to buy a handgun, it aint a crime of passion. If there is a question about the buyer, the Feds, state group or even the seller can say there needs to be an additional check done to verify the instant check. It happens all the time.

We dont need more laws, just enforcement of the ones we have on book and judges who aren't afraid to punish the criminals.

 

All those laws state is who can obtain a gun legally.......

It's much easier and cheaper to get them illegally!!! Even minors can purchase them by using illegal routes.

But you can not legally carry or conceal an illegal gun and a minor under the age of 21, can not legally purchase a handgun nor can they get a conceal license anywhere.

So if anyone under 21 gets thier hands on one and chooses to conceal it.... That's 3 counts of unlawful activity right there.

Meanwhile the law abiding citizen like myself, 31 years old, I do have several legal handguns, but have not gotten my CCW yet so I dont carry any one me, keep one in the truck legally. I will get my ccw soon, so why shouldn't I beable to arm myself against some punk kid who got an illegal gun, carried it ilegally, into a restrcted area, and also concealed it with out a lincense.......Just becasue it's a restricted area so even if I already had a CCW , being a law abiding citizen I pulled mine off and left it behind because it is a restircted area.