So our Governor, the right Rev. Kulongoski, is going to subsist one week on the equivalent of food stamp money because he wants to see how tough it is on those who do it. Yeah well I got a suggestion for those on the stamps; get a GD job if you want to eat!!!

I remember when I used to be an hourly worker, working all the overtime I could to save money and get ahead, I’d go to the store after working all day on Saturday, Sunday, or both, and what would I see at the store? These stinking bums with absolutely no disability enjoying their weekend and paying for their food with stamps.

I believe we as a society do have a responsibility to care for those who can not care for themselves, however, I do not believe this is the majority of people on assistance. I’ve seen these scumbags, who are too lazy to work, just want to “party”, or who have money and scam the system. I once saw this skank use stamps and then see her get in her Mercedes in the parking lot.


But I’m sure the good Gov will increase taxes on all those breaking their backs in steel mills and the like to keep the gravy train rolling for the worthless scum on assistance.

 

HUH???

I don't know what "society" you live in but I AM NOT responsible for taking care of anyone except my own family. Period. I am not attacking you personally, but this is typical left wing guilt trip nonsense.

It is not my fault some idiot ***** smokes crack & has 7 illegitimate children & can't support them.

It is not my fault some idiot doesn't graduate high school and is now head french fryer at Wack Arnolds & can't support their family.

It is not my fault some idiot has a felony conviction & now can't get a real job & therefore can't support their family.

Screw these people. If a deadbeat POS cannot or will not support themself financially or otherwise, why on earth is it the rest of decent societies responsibility to support idiots like that? F 'em, let them starve or move to france which welcomes left wing philosophy and hands out welfare benefits left & right.

KC-10 FE out...

 

My God, I think KC and I AGREE on something

 

You might think differently if yourself or a family member were suddenly in a position where you needed assistance. Bad things can happen to good people.

 

nice Chapelle Show reference lol

 

Does this mean the rotation of the planets will be altered or something like that?

No, I would not think differently. I have never & will never believe in state sponsored welfare. I would rather live in a cardboard box under a bridge than receive welfare benefits. If it ever came to that, I would move to the hills/woods & live off the land.

I am a firm believer of self reliance. I have a decent job, decent insurance & know how to plan for my future. If something bad happens to me, I plan on being prepared. If I was disabled tomorrow, my family would be quite well taken care of.

"Thank You, Thank You. Try the Chicken Caciatore, make sure you tip your waitress, I'll be here all week."

KC-10 FE out...

 

haha, maybe man.

As for the "You might think differently *if*" proposition...ehhhh

Here is how I see it. I would safely say 75% of people who are on food stamps and such long term are taking advantage of the system, and/or simply don't care enough to go out and make things happen. I do NOT feel that they should be society's responsibility.


Now, my religious beliefs may say I should not judge others, and should take care of others, it isn't my job to make sure the people out doing, using, and selling drugs have food stamps so they can spend their money on their weapons, drugs, bail, or 100 spoke daytons for their '65 impala.

 

When I am talking about those who can not take care of themselves I am referring to severely disabled people. NOT the bums who are too lazy to work. I feel exactly as you do about them. But I don’t mind pulling a little extra weight for those who truly need help.

 

LOL, from Neal Boortz:

Grim

 

I would whole-heartedly agree that there are too many people receiving FS gratis---and for too long. I do worry, though, about the kids. Those are the ones that I do not want to suffer. Also consider the theory that most people's model of a family comes from one when they were children---their own family models what thy had while growing up. What do they see? What do they know---government stuff, gratis. Somehow we need to break that cycle.

I would like to say that at times, the "Safety net" idea is a good one, as "Stuff does happen." I do not mind working a little to help those who are turly in need and TEMPORARILY down on their luck.

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I realize no one wants to hear this again, but here you go. When my father fell from a ladder several months ago he was severely injured and in a coma. His private insurance was either going to run out or his rates were about to go up severely because of his condition. At that point we decided that medicaid/medicare would be the best option for his condition. This would be assistance from the state and would be considered "welfare".

I don't care how proud you are, you might just have to suck it up and realize that you are not always going to be in complete control of everything that happens to you.

Never say never.

 

Case in point---I fellow I ump with lost his job with Kaiser Permenante---he is 52---just a few more years and he could retire; but---he lost his job a few months ago, and is looking hard for another one. But stuff does happen.

I teach, and, with tenure and a continuing contract (that is another argument) it would be difficult for me to lose my job given my position, licensure, and seniority, but not everybody can be as well prepared; consider this---people live on the bubble and are living paycheck to paycheck. Then the roof falls in and the rug is pulled out from under them. Voila! you are on the streets. Maybe they know how to plan for their future, but economically, realistically, it just ain't happening.

BTW---did you know that even during the Middle Ages people took care of those less fortunate and indigent? There were "dole" boxes in front of houses, where people could come and get left-overs and such...That is where the term "On the dole" comes from.

The ideas is to help long enough so that a person can "put the pieces in the puzzle." Then the game is over and they are gainfully employed.

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Hmmm, well I guess I am scum...... I was once out of work one time for over a year, sure I did odd jobs like mowing yards, cutting wood, handyman work, shade tree mechanic, farm hand, hunting guide, anything I could think of that I knew how to do to make a buck to put food on the table for my kids. But in the end it wasnt enough to keep a roof over thier heads too.
Against my wishes and every bone in my body, even after many many fights my wife finally snuck around beind my back and got us some assitance. Even then I was so embarassed that I tried to make her go to the next town over where not as many if any people might know her to get groceries with those things.

Looking back my foolish pride almost caused us to become homeless because we were real close to losing everything. If I couldnt have showered and groomed myself, then not much chance of finding someone to hire me while homeless and stinky! Not even fast food will let you work while in that condition and soon wife would lose her job from not being able to groom herself. We could easily be living in the streets right now if she hadnt done what she did, so now I am thankful that she went against my wishes.

You know what???? I had already paid in out of my paychecks for what little I used to get on my feet again and since then I have paid it back again and then some!

 

I understand the points you guys are making.

1. Medicare & Medicaid are not welfare. I pay for that stuff so it's basically a type of insurance. Every month, when I look at my Leave & Earning Statement, I see charges for both.

2. If an isurance company refuses to do it's job then it's time to call lawyers & look into a lawsuit. That's what insurance is for. If they refuse, that makes them scum in my book.
If the insurance isn't adequate because the individual in question doesn't have proper insurance then who's fault is that? I have 5 different kinds of insurance: SGLI, Whole Life, Disability, Mortgage & Personal Liability.

3. If you lose your job a few years from retirement, I feel bad for you. The fact that companies do that makes me sick. Did you prepare for your furture? If you didn't I have no sympathy for that. I will get a military retirement but it factors 0% into my financial future. I am planning as if I will not be getting it.

4. If someone has the "rug pulled out from under them" or the "roof falls in" & they are out on the streets, I couldn't care less. That kind of stuff doesn't happen all too often & usually happens to people who should have seen it coming. If you don't take educating yourself seriously & then obviously can't secure a job that allows you the luxury of preparing for your future then all I can say to that is "No, I don't want to king size that & may I have onion rings instead of fries, please".

5. I have ZERO problem at all with PRIVATE charitable organizations & the donations they provide to people in need. When Hurricane Katrina destroyed half of Keesler AFB, MS, there was an article in the AF Times showing an active duty SSgt holding his infant daughter looking at a brick foundation. That was all that remained of his on base house. The interview revealed that EVERY SINGLE THING he owned other than the clothes on his and his families backs was on the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. I gave the entire contents of my saving account (I'm not revealing the amount since it's not relevant) to the USAF Aid Society. Up until 9/11, I gave $50 a paycheck to the Red Cross. After 9/11, the Red Cross can kiss my butt. Why is another story entirely.
My problem lies with state or government sponsored aid at the taxpayer's expense.

6. This is actually refreshing. What is happening here is called intelligent debate. We are exchanging our opinions & I am allowed mine just as you are allowed yours. With that in mind, if you don't agree, there is no reason to degrade into insults. Let that happen in french & Toyota threads.

KC-10 FE out...

 

Employment Isurance is the only thing I dont mind paying for, only if your laid off or your employer goes outta business none of that getting fired cause your a douche or quitting cause you dont like it BS. But thats it, people get one year on that to find another job. **** welfare and every gas huffing, boozing loser on it who sits on their *** in an apartment getting stoned that I pay for outta my wage. Being disabled is one thing, being a lazy POS who just sponges off the system is another. If they think that having 10 kids means they cant work then they should have closed their legs.